Does a .500 winning percentage in NFL mean anything?

[Jake]

I forget who said it on TSR yesterday, perhaps Ainge, but it was mentioned that almost all HC's in the NFL have somewhere close to a .500 winning percentage in the NFL over their careers.

I did a little looking and sure enough.

Gruden's 11 years and .540 is as good, better than, or close to many very successful and recognizable coaches from a list of every HC to ever have that position in the NFL.

List of National Football League head coaches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Yeah, and in the NFL you don't get to schedule a game with the Tennessee School For The Blind every year to pad your winning %.
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[EaglesVols91]

The thing that stands out about Gruden is that he's been on MNF for awhile now. Tell me one recruit in the entire country that doesn't watch MNF. He also has that QB show for the top QBs coming to the draft. I guarantee he can recruit.

 

[govols/cc]

Lol @ all 3 posts.

 

[BadJerry20]

Lol @ all posts the last month

 

[AstonRoyal]

Lol @ Tennessee hiring Derek Dooley

 

[DocVol]

In B4 Gruden won the Super Bowl with Dungy's players.

 

[JettVol]

lol @ lol's

 

[DocVol]

Holmgren, Ditka and Parcells all have .500 winning percentages.

Lemme guess--don't want them either.

 

[howie87]

In B4 Gruden won the Super Bowl with Dungy's players.

Since my wife is from Tampa, and we used to follow the Bucs pretty regularly, Ill say this... Gruden did win with the team Dungy put together, but he gets credit for taking them over the hump offensively with those same players... (And everyone by now I would hope has realized Monte was the real defensive guru in Tampa, not Dungy)

All that being said, once those same players left, there were some terrible personel decisions (FA signings, draft) made by both Gruden and the Tampa front office, so Im not necessarily sold on his player evaluation abilities, and the coaching then did nothing to overcome those mistakes...

I wouldn't be disappointed with a Gruden hire, but I dont think it would be a homerun either...

 

[DocVol]

The Bucs were dismantled immediately following the SB victory just like most small to mid-market professional teams are nowadays. I've just always been amused by the idea that Gruden's SB doesn't count bc it was with Dungy's team. Sure, he inherited a good team, but that's less than half of coaching--especially at the professional level when teams are so equal and for the most part, any team can win any given Sunday (see the Titans v Steelers last week).

 

[howie87]

I would agree that anyone that discounts that superbowl win is dumb... Winning a superbowl is really hard, you could conversely say that he won in spite of not having "his own" players, but you never hear that...

The team was dismantled and thats true, and you would expect them to regress by some measure, but whatever Gruden's plan was for the team never materialized and seemingly (to me anyway) lacked even a hint of realization... They went from winning it all to being a total cluster in just a few short seasons...

 

[VolsFan-TX]

Gruden's 11 years and .540 is as good, better than, or close to many very successful and recognizable coaches from a list of every HC to ever have that position in the NFL.[/url]

In the 6 years immediately following the SB win (and Gruden's last years in coaching), Gruden's record was 45-51 with three losing seasons.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Howie and VFTX, thank you. I knew I wasn't the only one not blinded by Gru-bage's SERPER BERHL RIIIIIIIING.

And lest I forget to do my daily dose of truth....Gruden's record was what, 94-81?? I know that he was TWO GAMES OVER 500 in six years as the HC of the Bucs (52-50). That leaves 42-31 as a HC in the AFC West (OAK, SD, DEN, and KC).

For those that don't know, the NFC South (TB, CAR, ATL, NO) is the SEC of the NFL. The AFC West......kinda like the Mountain West.

Bad competition, Gruden is +11 over .500.

Good competition, barely above .500.

#grudenisGARBAGE

 

[DocVol]

^^This could be the dumbest argument of all time in the history of football discussions.

You do realize a >.500 career win percentage in the NFL is considered a huge accomplishment. If you are trying to compare that to college win percentages for college coaches, it's apples to oranges. Not the same by a long shot.

 

[rynrem]

Since my wife is from Tampa, and we used to follow the Bucs pretty regularly, Ill say this... Gruden did win with the team Dungy put together, but he gets credit for taking them over the hump offensively with those same players... (And everyone by now I would hope has realized Monte was the real defensive guru in Tampa, not Dungy)

All that being said, once those same players left, there were some terrible personel decisions (FA signings, draft) made by both Gruden and the Tampa front office, so Im not necessarily sold on his player evaluation abilities, and the coaching then did nothing to overcome those mistakes...

I wouldn't be disappointed with a Gruden hire, but I dont think it would be a homerun either...

Wait...your wife is from Tampa...Cool, as you are now in line to be the next Bucs coach...according to the rationale of many posters here

 

[eazyTD]

What about that clown Chuck Noll and his sorry .571 winning %? Complete fluke that he has 4 Super Bowl rings imo jmo fwiw





/sarcasm

 

[hillsborovol]

Let all college coaches "draft" their recruits in reverse order of where they finished in last season's rankings. Alabama's first round pick would be around #120 or so, and their second round pick would be #240 or so. This system would closely resemble the draft system employed by the NFL. Instead of Alabama having the #1 ranked class (by Rivals), they would have one of the worst recruiting classes in the country.

If you think any college coach could dominate in these circumstances, please explain how and why.

Their winning percentages would be like NFL coaches' percentages are...hovering just above .500 if you are an excellent coach and an excellent judge of talent.

 

[DocVol]

:unsure:

Let all college coaches "draft" their recruits in reverse order of where they finished in last season's rankings. Alabama's first round pick would be around #120 or so, and their second round pick would be #240 or so. This system would closely resemble the draft system employed by the NFL. Instead of Alabama having the #1 ranked class (by Rivals), they would have one of the worst recruiting classes in the country.

If you think any college coach could dominate in these circumstances, please explain how and why.

Their winning percentages would be like NFL coaches' percentages are...hovering just above .500 if you are an excellent coach and an excellent judge of talent.

Boro gets it :hi:

 

[Exfix]

Tennessee could have the most delusional fan base in the country if we are actually arguing about a SUPER BOWL WINNING coach coming out of the MNF booth to coach the Vols. You do realize our current coach was our eighth choice coming from a WAC school with a losing record? Last I heard, Bear Bryant and Jesus weren't available so in the unlikely event Gruden were to say yes, I'm pretty sure Hart takes him.

 

[kohlrums]

I forget who said it on TSR yesterday, perhaps Ainge, but it was mentioned that almost all HC's in the NFL have somewhere close to a .500 winning percentage in the NFL over their careers.

I did a little looking and sure enough.

Gruden's 11 years and .540 is as good, better than, or close to many very successful and recognizable coaches from a list of every HC to ever have that position in the NFL.

List of National Football League head coaches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No point wasting your time and energy trying to defend Gruden as a candidate to those that think he will fail. Those people are beyond help-and are also most likely fans that follow college football, but not the NFL. People also tend to forget the draft pick haul that TB had to send to Oakland just to get Gruden, which set them back for two years (1st and 2nd rnd picks)....see, now I'm wasting my time on these people.

 

[howie87]

Wait...your wife is from Tampa...Cool, as you are now in line to be the next Bucs coach...according to the rationale of many posters here

Lol... Sad thing is I've already told them I'm not interested in the job... Can't control what the fans think though...

 

[kohlrums]

Tennessee could have the most delusional fan base in the country if we are actually arguing about a SUPER BOWL WINNING coach coming out of the MNF booth to coach the Vols. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. You do realize our current coach was our eighth choice coming from a WAC school with a losing record? Last I heard, Bear Bryant and Jesus weren't available so in the unlikely event Gruden were to say yes, I'm pretty sure Hart takes him.

You fail to remember the time of year in which we were trying to hire a coach. Another lazy argument.

And people said Alabama was just as delusion when they hired Saban...and he was actually coaching another team at the time. People also tend to forget that Rich Rob almost put pen to paper on a contract before that deal went to pot at the last minute. College football is a crazy business. You would think a TN fan of all people would get that.

 

[ReebaVol]

You all show how stupid you are every time "Gruden" comes out of your mouth.

 

[Exfix]

You fail to remember the time of year in which we were trying to hire a coach. Another lazy argument.

And people said Alabama was just as delusion when they hired Saban...and he was actually coaching another team at the time. People also tend to forget that Rich Rob almost put pen to paper on a contract before that deal went to pot at the last minute. College football is a crazy business. You would think a TN fan of all people would get that.

You mean the same time of the year that Kiffin left for USC? Pretty sure that was a bad time of the year for them too. You need a reality check if you think we are in the same league as an Alabama, USC, etc. when it comes to attracting a coach. Think before you call someone's argument lazy.