Unorthodox method of hiring a coach

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Here's some selling points to the UT Head Coaching position we didn't have last time.

1. No pending NCAA investigations
2. A full roster
3. Some pretty promising talent on that roster at more than a couple positions
4. A slightly better financial situation
5. Upgraded facilities

So here's my theory:
Lets find a Coach who has actually WON something, has a record of winning and then SPEND THE MONEY to hire him.

I know it sounds crazy but it may just work.
 
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Regarding 4.) don't know what the financial situation was when we hired Dooley but it's pretty below average right now.
 
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Yes, the situation is way better than when CDD was hired. Unlike last time, We are not even close to signing day to start our HC search. But of all these, MH not making the decision is the biggest.

Not saying that CDD is gone but just adding favorable situations.
 
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Here's some selling points to the UT Head Coaching position we didn't have last time.

1. No pending NCAA investigations
2. A full roster
3. Some pretty promising talent on that roster at more than a couple positions
4. A slightly better financial situation
5. Upgraded facilities

So here's my theory:
Lets find a Coach who has actually WON something, has a record of winning and then SPEND THE MONEY to hire him.
I know it sounds crazy but it may just work.

This was the main reason I didn't like firing Fulmer the way we did. Not because I didn't think he needed to go, but because we really didn't have a plan and just replaced him with a guy that we hoped could win. Look where it got us. SPEND THE MONEY and get a proven winner.
 
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...SPEND THE MONEY and get a proven winner.

NO! I have no problem with spending money but get the right coach. It may not be a "proven winner." Those haven't been spectacular coaches at UT. Check out Bowden Wyatt (proven winner ... never got it going) or Johnny Majors (proven winner ... marginal success). Then compare Robert Neyland (a promoted assistant), Doug Dickey (an assistant with no HC experience), or Phil Fulmer (a promoted assistant). The key is not what a coach has done but what a coach will do.
 
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Regarding 4.) don't know what the financial situation was when we hired Dooley but it's pretty below average right now.

If UT spends the money to get a top notch coach, our financial situation will correct itself. It will encourage boosters to flood the program with donations, ticket sales will increase, and people will b excited about the future of Tennessee football and will support the program as well (hats, shirts, and pter merchandise sales). Makes sense to me....hopefully it does to Dave Hart.

The only thing I disagree with this thread about is letting Dooley go now. This will cause us to lose games that we should win. JMO.
 
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4 is completely WRONG my friend.

2 part interview from AD Hart is on this site for the whole world to read Alabama Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather - al.com

AD Hart says UT is basically BROKE and we only have about $2 Million in our emergency fund where most SEC schools have $50 Million to $100 Million or more.

Hart also says we urgently need a new dorm building for our players since the last building was built 40 years ago and that hurts recruiting compared to the newer, apartment like dorms most other schools we compete against already have and parents always ask where their kids will be living if they come to play at UT.

I have no idea where everyone thinks we're realistically going to get many Millions of $$$ really fast for a CDD and staff buyout plus more huge money get get a top named coach that must also be a great recruiter to come to UT and take over this total rebuilding project.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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NO! I have no problem with spending money but get the right coach. It may not be a "proven winner." Those haven't been spectacular coaches at UT. Check out Bowden Wyatt (proven winner ... never got it going) or Johnny Majors (proven winner ... marginal success). Then compare Robert Neyland (a promoted assistant), Doug Dickey (an assistant with no HC experience), or Phil Fulmer (a promoted assistant). The key is not what a coach has done but what a coach will do.

I agree with you somewhat. But Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, and Petrino disagree.
 
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4 is completely WRONG my friend.

2 part interview from AD Hart is on this site for the whole world to read Alabama Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather - al.com

AD Hart says UT is basically BROKE and we only have about $2 Million in our emergency fund where most SEC schools have $50 Million to $100 Million or more.

Hart also says we urgently need a new dorm building for our players since the last building was built 40 years ago and that hurts recruiting compared to the newer, apartment like dorms most other schools we compete against already have and parents always ask where their kids will be living if they come to play at UT.

I have no idea where everyone thinks we're realistically going to get many Millions of $$$ really fast for a CDD and staff buyout plus more huge money get get a top named coach that must also be a great recruiter to come to UT and take over this total rebuilding project.

VFL...GBO!!!

Per Chris Lowe, the financial situation I'm the AD office will not affect whethe or not we dismiss CDD.

Have you ever heard of the Haslam family....they've been known to have Millions of $$$. Just saying.
 
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Yep, the "Big Fish" are going to line up for a job where you will be given 2 recruiting classes to win a championship. LOL

I sense we may be nearing the dreaded 10-year "college football purgatory" if we fire Dooley. But that's what you "fans" want...
 
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Per Chris Lowe, the financial situation I'm the AD office will not affect whethe or not we dismiss CDD.

Have you ever heard of the Haslam family....they've been known to have Millions of $$$. Just saying.

Exactly. That guy rants about the ad being broke on every thread. Same as coach speak. You ever seen the athletic donor letter? The updates on money already raised? If anyone thinks we're broke, they're insane. As if the ad is the only money UT had access to anyway. I'm so sick of seeing that every damn time that dude responds to a thread about canning our cumbersome coach.
 
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Yep, the "Big Fish" are going to line up for a job where you will be given 2 recruiting classes to win a championship. LOL

I sense we may be nearing the dreaded 10-year "college football purgatory" if we fire Dooley. But that's what you "fans" want...

A big fish will be given more than 2 years. But the difference between a big fish and Dooley is a good coach won't need 2+ years to show results. See Saban at Alabama, Meyer at Fla and OSU, Petrino at Arkansas, Miles at LSU, Richt at UGA, Muschamp (cant believe I'm saying this) at Fla... the list goes on and on. All these coaches have made an impact in their first 2 years. This idea that we are sooooo bad that a coach needs 5, 6, or 7 years to show results is absurd.
 
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If UT spends the money to get a top notch coach, our financial situation will correct itself. It will encourage boosters to flood the program with donations, ticket sales will increase, and people will b excited about the future of Tennessee football and will support the program as well (hats, shirts, and pter merchandise sales). Makes sense to me....hopefully it does to Dave Hart.

The only thing I disagree with this thread about is letting Dooley go now. This will cause us to lose games that we should win. JMO.

There are actually two big IFs. If UT will spent the big $$$ is a big question. Second, I am not convinced that a big-time coach will come to Tennessee. We are still very short on top SEC-type talent and a new coach will have to beat 4-5 teams in the SEC that are always ranked in the top ten or get fired in three years because of the constant bickering of the negavols and posters on this board. With the negative attitude of the most vocal so-called fans, a top coach would be a fool to coach here.
 
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Yep, the "Big Fish" are going to line up for a job where you will be given 2 recruiting classes to win a championship. LOL

I sense we may be nearing the dreaded 10-year "college football purgatory" if we fire Dooley. But that's what you "fans" want...

Thanks for proving your not really Smart :eek:lol: Oh lord where do these people come from :jpshakehead:
 
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Exactly. That guy rants about the ad being broke on every thread. Same as coach speak. You ever seen the athletic donor letter? The updates on money already raised? If anyone thinks we're broke, they're insane. As if the ad is the only money UT had access to anyway. I'm so sick of seeing that every damn time that dude responds to a thread about canning our cumbersome coach.
Now he's gonna write another 500 page novel telling you why you why we should keep Dooley.
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Yep, the "Big Fish" are going to line up for a job where you will be given 2 recruiting classes to win a championship. LOL

I sense we may be nearing the dreaded 10-year "college football purgatory" if we fire Dooley. But that's what you "fans" want...
Right, because anybody's said anything about winning a championship. How about winning a game that actually matters.
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4 is completely WRONG my friend.

2 part interview from AD Hart is on this site for the whole world to read Alabama Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather - al.com

AD Hart says UT is basically BROKE and we only have about $2 Million in our emergency fund where most SEC schools have $50 Million to $100 Million or more.

Hart also says we urgently need a new dorm building for our players since the last building was built 40 years ago and that hurts recruiting compared to the newer, apartment like dorms most other schools we compete against already have and parents always ask where their kids will be living if they come to play at UT.

I have no idea where everyone thinks we're realistically going to get many Millions of $$$ really fast for a CDD and staff buyout plus more huge money get get a top named coach that must also be a great recruiter to come to UT and take over this total rebuilding project.

VFL...GBO!!!

you have always got a lot of good reasons why we shouldnt get rid of dooley and hire a big time coach, let me explain something to you, do you remember when every game at neyland was a sell out? do you know why that was? it was because we didnt have a doofus for a head coach and we had a chance to win every game we played. and im not even talking about when fulmer was coach im saying even when kiffin was a coach, because as much as people hate kiffin as a person you cant argue that he is a good coach. we have a coach that loses us every game we play in so its no surprise to me when we pack in 50000 fans in a stadium that holds over 100000 that our revenues are down. get someone in here that can sellout every game and there will be no money problem at ut.
 
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Here's some selling points to the UT Head Coaching position we didn't have last time.

1. No pending NCAA investigations
2. A full roster
3. Some pretty promising talent on that roster at more than a couple positions
4. A slightly better financial situation
5. Upgraded facilities

So here's my theory:
Lets find a Coach who has actually WON something, has a record of winning and then SPEND THE MONEY to hire him.

I know it sounds crazy but it may just work.

A record of winning in some conference that actually matters and has somewhat stout competition. No more community college guys.
 
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Right, because anybody's said anything about winning a championship. How about winning a game that actually matters.
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Thank you for saying that so clearly. Vol fans are simply sick and tired of three years of team mediocrity under Coach Dooley. I believe a majority of fans would be happy with our new coach if:

1) The Vols have an average record of 8 - 5 within his first two years.

2) The vols win at least one bowl game in first two years.

3) The Vols beat at least one ranked team each year.

4) The Vols actually compete against other SEC teams.

5) Our coaches don't appear to be "Big-eyed doe in the headlights" pacing the sidelines.

It would be nice if we won an SEC championship... or even compete for an NC during first two years, but I truly believe Vol fans would be quite happy to see #'s 1 - 5 above become a reality for Big Orange football. Unfortunately, I do not see these things happening under the coaching of Dooley and his current staff. ><>
 
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you have always got a lot of good reasons why we shouldnt get rid of dooley and hire a big time coach, let me explain something to you, do you remember when every game at neyland was a sell out? do you know why that was? it was because we didnt have a doofus for a head coach and we had a chance to win every game we played. and im not even talking about when fulmer was coach im saying even when kiffin was a coach, because as much as people hate kiffin as a person you cant argue that he is a good coach. we have a coach that loses us every game we play in so its no surprise to me when we pack in 50000 fans in a stadium that holds over 100000 that our revenues are down. get someone in here that can sellout every game and there will be no money problem at ut.

Agreed... Mr. Fister, If the athletic administration at UT are being any kind of decent stewards of the football program income... UT's football budget should be able to support the salaries of quality coaches and staff, any needed equipment, new dorms, build up a decent reserve account, and almost anything else they need... that is, if the stewardship entrusted to them handled wisely.

Consider, if you will, the football income:

1) Gate receipts (tickets cost approximately $150 each,
on average) and parking fees
2) concessions sales (do you realize the markup here???)
3) Souvenir and licensed product sales
4) Television and other media income
5) donations from "prominent donors" and estates

Our football income should hover somewhere around $75 million per year, or more (6 home game schedule).

Now, deduct:
1) coaching salaries,
2) event staff salaries,
3) AD dept cut,
4) cost of concessions,
5) souvenir products,
6) legal costs,
7) travel expenses,
8) paying visiting team
9) other miscellaneous expenses, etc...

and the program should have a surplus each year of somewhere between $10 - 25 million. Where is that surplus going?

UT should have the revenue available to pay for any coaching staff Dave Hart is interested in hiring, including any buyouts needed.
 
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Here's some selling points to the UT Head Coaching position we didn't have last time.

1. No pending NCAA investigations
2. A full roster
3. Some pretty promising talent on that roster at more than a couple positions
4. A slightly better financial situation
5. Upgraded facilities

So here's my theory:
Lets find a Coach who has actually WON something, has a record of winning and then SPEND THE MONEY to hire him.

I know it sounds crazy but it may just work.

I do beleive that Dooley played a huge part in this.
 

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