Zimmerman entitled to Trayvon Martin's school records, social media posts

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It's very sad that people are so emotionally invested in the defense of George Zimmerman...a man who followed a teenager around after being ordered not to, and then killing him...an unarmed teenager.

Why is it you are so quick to think that Zimmerman was defending himself, but you do not believe that Martin felt he was defending himself? Seeing it from Trayvon's perspective, a creepy armed man was following him around in a truck. Why is it that you are so quick to assume Trayvon wasn't defending himself, but Zimmerman was?

It seems to me that the person who was NOT armed and was being followed has the right to defend himself while Zimmerman does NOT have the right to shoot an unarmed teen.
 
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Also, digging into Trayvon's past proves NOTHING about Zimmerman's innocence. If Trayvon got in trouble at school, that still has NOTHING to do with the fact that Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed teen.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Also, digging into Trayvon's past proves NOTHING about Zimmerman's innocence. If Trayvon got in trouble at school, that still has NOTHING to do with the fact that Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed teen.
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An unarmed teen that was bashing his head into the concrete.......I wasn't there to see what actually happened, but if he was on top of Zimmerman and slamming his head into the street then shooting him was justified IMO
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
It's very sad that people are so emotionally invested in the defense of George Zimmerman...a man who followed a teenager around after being ordered not to, and then killing him...an unarmed teenager.

Why is it you are so quick to think that Zimmerman was defending himself, but you do not believe that Martin felt he was defending himself? Seeing it from Trayvon's perspective, a creepy armed man was following him around in a truck. Why is it that you are so quick to assume Trayvon wasn't defending himself, but Zimmerman was?

It seems to me that the person who was NOT armed and was being followed has the right to defend himself while Zimmerman does NOT have the right to shoot an unarmed teen.
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Some people support those who work to protect the safety of their communitties against the kind of crime that was coming into Zimmerman's neighborhood from the outside. Maybe home invasion crimes do not bother you. That "creepy man" as you called him lived in that neighborhood, which Trayvon Martin did not. He was on the neighborhood watch, and there was a highly visible neighborhood watch sign posted at the gate where Martin walked into the complex. So there is good reason to believe that Martin knew exactly why he was being observed and exactly who was observing him, the neighborhood watch. Zimmerman avoided a confrontation and observed from a distance. He had actually lost sight of Martin, but Martin turned around, walked all the way back towards Zimmerman, and brutally attacked him by sucker punching him and then getting on top of him and slamming his head repeatedly against a concrete walk. That is deadly force and attempted murder. Zimmerman stated that his gun was exposed while he was being beaten and Martin reached for it. In the situation that Martin created, what choice did Zimmerman have except to save his own life or be murdered, to shoot or be killed? Nobody has the right to do what Martin did on that night. He could have avoided any confrontation by simply walking into the residence where he was visiting or simply telling Zimmerman that he was visiting there. But he chose to commit a violent crime instead. Martin caused his own death.

Personally, I believe in the right of self defense, and I believe that we should protect that right, not surrender it to criminals who brutally attack people in their own neighborhoods. Since when does a man not have the right to defend his own life in his own community when his head is being smashed against a concrete walk? If the right of self defense is taken away from George Zimmerman, then it is taken away from all of us. We really should not allow politicians to appease an angry mob by taking away the inalienable right of self defense.
 
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Vol Main said:
Some people support those who work to protect the safety of their neighborhoods against the kind of crime that was coming into Zimmerman's neighborhood from the outside. Maybe home invasion crimes do not bother you. That "creepy man" as you called him lived in that neighborhood, which Trayvon Martin did not. He was on the community watch, and there was a highly visible community watch sign posted at the gate where Martin walked into the complex. So there is good reason to believe that Martin knew exactly why he was being observed and exactly who was observing him, the community watch. Zimmerman avoided a confrontation and observed from a distance. He had actually lost sight of Martin, but Martin turned around, walked all the way back towards Zimmerman, and brutally attacked him by sucker punching him and then getting on top of him and slamming his head repeatedly against a concrete walk. That is deadly force and attempted murder. Zimmerman stated that his gun was exposed while he was being beaten and Martin reached for it. In the situation that Martin created, what choice did Zimmerman have except to save his own life or be murdered, to shoot or be killed? Nobody has the right to do what Martin did on that night. He could have avoided any confrontation by simply walking into the residence where he was visiting or simply telling Zimmerman that he was visiting there. But he chose to commit a violent crime instead. Martin caused his own death.
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All of that testimony came from Zimmerman, no one else. There have been some witnesses who have said that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon and Zimmerman has changed his story a couple of times.

And once again, I ask you...why is it Zimmerman is allowed to defend himself but Trayvon is not? Once again...a creepy guy with a GUN is following Trayvon Martin around the neighborhood after being told by the police NOT TO DO IT. Trayvon might have feared for his life, yet you never talk about that.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
It's very sad that people are so emotionally invested in the defense of George Zimmerman...a man who followed a teenager around after being ordered not to, and then killing him...an unarmed teenager.
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LIE

He said OK and stopped following him..was on his way back to his car to wait on cops and was attacked from behind
 
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It’s wrong, said Tracy Martin, Trayvon’s father, “to make a dead child seem as if they’re the perpetrator.”






but what if he was?





I forget - - was Trayvon "an aspiring gangsta thug rap artist" or was he "studying to be a graphic designer"?

Chickens coming home to roost!
 
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Remember, the dfsense only is able under the order to obtain the information. They may, or may not, be able to use it at trial.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
All of that testimony came from Zimmerman, no one else. There have been some witnesses who have said that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon and Zimmerman has changed his story a couple of times.

And once again, I ask you...why is it Zimmerman is allowed to defend himself but Trayvon is not? Once again...a creepy guy with a GUN is following Trayvon Martin around the neighborhood after being told by the police NOT TO DO IT. Trayvon might have feared for his life, yet you never talk about that.
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Trayvon cannot defend himself because of this simple fact- a dead man tells no tales.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Remember, the dfsense only is able under the order to obtain the information. They may, or may not, be able to use it at trial.
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Not saying they will

but what if they find statements where he said he wanted to attack people etc?

he was looking forward to someone confronting him
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
All of that testimony came from Zimmerman, no one else. There have been some witnesses who have said that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon and Zimmerman has changed his story a couple of times.

And once again, I ask you...why is it Zimmerman is allowed to defend himself but Trayvon is not? Once again...a creepy guy with a GUN is following Trayvon Martin around the neighborhood after being told by the police NOT TO DO IT. Trayvon might have feared for his life, yet you never talk about that.
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Wasn't it the 911 operator that told him not to follow him?
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
All of that testimony came from Zimmerman, no one else. There have been some witnesses who have said that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon and Zimmerman has changed his story a couple of times.

And once again, I ask you...why is it Zimmerman is allowed to defend himself but Trayvon is not? Once again...a creepy guy with a GUN is following Trayvon Martin around the neighborhood after being told by the police NOT TO DO IT. Trayvon might have feared for his life, yet you never talk about that.
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You are saying things that are just wrong. The eye witness who lived next to the scene of the shooting stated that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, punching Zimmerman in the head seconds before the shot was fired. That is why Zimmerman defended himself.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman confronted or threatened Martin. After the police dispatcher told Zimmerman that they did not need him to do that(follow Martin) Zimmerman said okay and stopped following him. Zimmerman told the dispatcher that he knew not to confront him and reported to the dispatcher that he had lost sight of the subject. He walked past the near end of the far building and stood there to watch the street. Martin had walked away from him, down the concrete walk between two rows of buildings, and Zimmerman thought he would exit the property at the other end, the opposite end from where he was standing. When Zimmerman walked back towards his vehicle to meet the police as he told the dispatcher he would do, he was confronted by Martin, who had walked all the way back for that purpose. If Martin was in fear of his life, why didn't he call the police with his cell phone? If Martin was in fear of his life, why didn't he walk into the residence where he was staying and talk to his father, instead of turning around and walking all the way back to confront Zimmerman? You are the one not talking about what actually happened.
 
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As big as Martin was there's no way Zimmerman viewed him as a kid....plus he was wearing a hoodie....if you put 2 and 2 together on this it's not hard to see exactly why and how it happened. The media created the shjt storm.
 
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Vol Main said:
You are saying things that are just wrong. The eye witness who lived next to the scene of the shooting stated that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, punching Zimmerman in the head seconds before the shot was fired. That is why Zimmerman defended himself.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman confronted or threatened Martin. After the police dispatcher told Zimmerman that they did not need him to do that(follow Martin) Zimmerman said okay and stopped following him. Zimmerman reported to the dispatcher that he had lost sight of the subject. He walked past the near end of the far building to stand there and watch the street. Martin had walked away from him, down the concrete walk between two buildings. When Zimmerman walked back towards his vehicle to meet the police as he told the dispatcher he would do, he was confronted by Martin who had walked all the way back for that purpose. If Martin was in fear of his life, why didn't he call the police with his cell phone? If Martin was in fear of his life, why didn't he walk into the residence where he was staying instead of turning around and walking all the way back to confront Zimmerman? You are the one not talking about what actually happened.
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After he said OK..they ask where to meet at..and u can here Zimmerman state his car...meaning he was ON HIS WAY BACK TO HIS CAR!!!!!! and was no longer following Martin!
 
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Carl Pickens said:
As big as Martin was there's no way Zimmerman viewed him as a kid....plus he was wearing a hoodie....if you put 2 and 2 together on this it's not hard to see exactly why and how it happened. The media created the shjt storm.
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Martins parents will look forward to CASH in on this...want that money
 
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Carl Pickens said:
As big as Martin was there's no way Zimmerman viewed him as a kid....plus he was wearing a hoodie....if you put 2 and 2 together on this it's not hard to see exactly why and how it happened. The media created the shjt storm.
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The lawyer representing the Martin family actually hired a media man to get the story worked in the press. Then he allowed Martin's father to make false statements which inflamed the public, statements that Zimmerman murdered his son in cold blood. The father behaved much like the leader of a lynch mob in an old Western movie. Despite strong evidence that his son was the aggressor who caused his own death by brutally attacking Zimmerman, Martin's father never apologized for his statements and never retracted them.
 
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Vol Main said:
The lawyer representing the Martin family actually hired a media man to get the story worked in the press. Then he allowed Martin's father to make false statements which inflamed the public, statements that Zimmerman murdered his son in cold blood. Despite strong evidence that his son was the aggressor who caused his own death by brutally attacking Zimmerman, Martin's father never apologized for his statements or retracted them.
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Did Spike Lee apologize?

Funny all the statements meant to inflame etc being spewed from one side
 
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It's absurd to continue pushing this case as a racial flashpoint. Only the media has injected race into this disaster. Both guys were wrong to some degree.
 
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Trayvon Martin's parents decry records request...They have no trouble politicizing their son's death when it could make them some scratch!


The record will show that poor little Trayvon was a gang banger in training. We can’t have that. It might give people the impression that Trayvon was aggressive and attacked Zimmerman that night. But the liberal narrative is that he was shot for no reason, and that America has not changed from the days of Emmitt Till.

The narrative is more important to liberals than the actual facts of the case.
 
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volmaverick said:
Trayvon Martin's parents decry records request...They have no trouble politicizing their son's death when it could make them some scratch!


The record will show that poor little Trayvon was a gang banger in training. We can’t have that. It might give people the impression that Trayvon was aggressive and attacked Zimmerman that night. But the liberal narrative is that he was shot for no reason, and that America has not changed from the days of Emmitt Till.

The narrative is more important to liberals than the actual facts of the case.
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None of this matters. Martin could have been the second-coming of Hitler, however, if he was not at the time a threat to Zimmerman's life, Zimmerman would not be justified in killing him.
 
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