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You don't root for your favorite team to lose. Wanting a head coach removed because he can't win a damn game isn't being negative. If the way things are isn't working, you have to change to get better.

I'm tired of the mentality of some that you have to support a losing coach to support the team you love. Dooley is not the team. He's just a coach, and not a very good one at that. People need to look at the stats and see the truth rather than willfully blinding themselves to Dooley's shortcomings. Seems like a nice guy, but he isn't getting it done. There is no disputing that.

Players need to get over themselves. College players get a free education because football fans watch the games and buy the merchandise. Pro players earn millions of dollars because we watch the games and buy the merchandise. Simple economics, supply and demand. Fans create the demand for entertainment which opens them up to supply that demand. Because fans exist, they get rich playing a game. They seem to forget how lucky they are. I'd trade talent with them any day of the week.

This idea that fans are "crybabies" because we expect results after 2.5 seasons is ludicrous. I'm not asking for a NC(yet), but I do expect improvement. How have we improved? We may have better talent, but the results remain the same. That's not improvement.
 
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Weezer said:
You don't root for your favorite team to lose. Wanting a head coach removed because he can't win a damn game isn't being negative. If the way things are isn't working, you have to change to get better.

I'm tired of the mentality of some that you have to support a losing coach to support the team you love. Dooley is not the team. He's just a coach, and not a very good one at that. People need to look at the stats and see the truth rather than willfully blinding themselves to Dooley's shortcomings. Seems like a nice guy, but he isn't getting it done. There is no disputing that.

Players need to get over themselves. College players get a free education because football fans watch the games and buy the merchandise. Pro players earn millions of dollars because we watch the games and buy the merchandise. Simple economics, supply and demand. Fans create the demand for entertainment which opens them up to supply that demand. Because fans exist, they get rich playing a game. They seem to forget how lucky they are. I'd trade talent with them any day of the week.

This idea that fans are "crybabies" because we expect results after 2.5 seasons is ludicrous. I'm not asking for a NC(yet), but I do expect improvement. How have we improved? We may have better talent, but the results remain the same. That's not improvement.
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The question you have to ask yourself is "why do the 'Doolaids' support Dooley?" I am a Dooley supporter but its not like I'm doing it because I just like Derek Dooley. By that logic I would have been supporting him when he was at LA Tech.
 
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Exactly.


When do you draw the line and finally come to the realization that he is not the right guy for this job?

0 - 13 against ranked competition is a good place to start, wouldn't you say?
 
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OrangeShadeOfDoom said:
Exactly.


When do you draw the line and finally come to the realization that he is not the right guy for this job?

0 - 13 against ranked competition is a good place to start, wouldn't you say?
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Given the situation he came into. Ill make my analysis after he can get a full team of his guys. He gets another year in my book. If he can't start winning big games with all his guys then I'm out.
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
Given the situation he came into. Ill make my analysis after he can get a full team of his guys. He gets another year in my book. If he can't start winning big games with all his guys then I'm out.
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Smartest post in the thread so far.
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
Given the situation he came into. Ill make my analysis after he can get a full team of his guys. He gets another year in my book. If he can't start winning big games with all his guys then I'm out.
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alot of people can not understand this...
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
Given the situation he came into. Ill make my analysis after he can get a full team of his guys. He gets another year in my book. If he can't start winning big games with all his guys then I'm out.
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My only problem with that rationale is technically, most of the starters could be considered "his guys". Whether he was responsible for recruiting them or not, he was HC when most of them began their freshmen season. Off the top of my head, Dallas Thomas and Lathers are the only two I can think of who don't fall into that category. He has talent on this team, he just hasn't been able to utilize it.
 
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Weezer said:
You don't root for your favorite team to lose. Wanting a head coach removed because he can't win a damn game isn't being negative. If the way things are isn't working, you have to change to get better.

I'm tired of the mentality of some that you have to support a losing coach to support the team you love. Dooley is not the team. He's just a coach, and not a very good one at that. People need to look at the stats and see the truth rather than willfully blinding themselves to Dooley's shortcomings. Seems like a nice guy, but he isn't getting it done. There is no disputing that.

Players need to get over themselves. College players get a free education because football fans watch the games and buy the merchandise. Pro players earn millions of dollars because we watch the games and buy the merchandise. Simple economics, supply and demand. Fans create the demand for entertainment which opens them up to supply that demand. Because fans exist, they get rich playing a game. They seem to forget how lucky they are. I'd trade talent with them any day of the week.

This idea that fans are "crybabies" because we expect results after 2.5 seasons is ludicrous. I'm not asking for a NC(yet), but I do expect improvement. How have we improved? We may have better talent, but the results remain the same. That's not improvement.
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You have the right to be as pissed as you want. But, no matter how hard you pound your chest on VN, everybody has the right not to care that you are pissed. I know that I don't.
 
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Weezer said:
My only problem with that rationale is technically, most of the starters could be considered "his guys". Whether he was responsible for recruiting them or not, he was HC when most of them began their freshmen season. Off the top of my head, Dallas Thomas and Lathers are the only two I can think of who don't fall into that category. He has talent on this team, he just hasn't been able to utilize it.
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The senior class is still from 09' which was kiffin. Aka Bryce brown and the "super class". The fact that we only have 1 or 2 seniors (Bullard and maybe waggner) contributing at an SEC level game in and game out, I would argue that given another year of bringing in guys and building up current guys Dooley would finally have a team he can fully claim as his own. Once that is the case I would expect there to be results. If he doesn't deliver with that scenerio then I see no reason to keep him any further

Edit: my bad, I forgot Mychal Rivera and Zach Rogers. Both are pre Dooley guys that are contributing at a high enough level. That means between RS seniors and regular seniors, I count 4-5 guys that play at an SEC level.
 
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Weezer said:
You don't root for your favorite team to lose. Wanting a head coach removed because he can't win a damn game isn't being negative. If the way things are isn't working, you have to change to get better.

I'm tired of the mentality of some that you have to support a losing coach to support the team you love. Dooley is not the team. He's just a coach, and not a very good one at that. People need to look at the stats and see the truth rather than willfully blinding themselves to Dooley's shortcomings. Seems like a nice guy, but he isn't getting it done. There is no disputing that.

Players need to get over themselves. College players get a free education because football fans watch the games and buy the merchandise. Pro players earn millions of dollars because we watch the games and buy the merchandise. Simple economics, supply and demand. Fans create the demand for entertainment which opens them up to supply that demand. Because fans exist, they get rich playing a game. They seem to forget how lucky they are. I'd trade talent with them any day of the week.

This idea that fans are "crybabies" because we expect results after 2.5 seasons is ludicrous. I'm not asking for a NC(yet), but I do expect improvement. How have we improved? We may have better talent, but the results remain the same. That's not improvement.
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Yep, STATS. That is the ultimate problem. Clearly... not a football person.

Anyone ever stop to think (yep, I said THINK!) that maybe we are exactly where we should be... considering the past 10 years. Paying attention doesn't mean you have been summarizing the entire time. This has been a cumulative effort for a decade. Give it up. We have to earn the right to be Tennessee again (think about that for a bit). That takes time.

Many things wrong right now, but better than the past 5 years. Remember, the conference is at a possible all time high in the history of CFB. Really, 5 teams in the BCS top 11. Our 5 potential losses to 4 of them. The fifth, just outside. Seems to me (considering to this point, we have held our own, mostly), UT is realistically closer to the top 20 than most want to admit.

Keep it classy, VN.
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
The senior class is still from 09' which was kiffin. Aka Bryce brown and the "super class". The fact that we only have 1 or 2 seniors (Bullard and maybe waggner) contributing at an SEC level game in and game out, I would argue that given another year of bringing in guys and building up current guys Dooley would finally have a team he can fully claim as his own. Once that is the case I would expect there to be results. If he doesn't deliver with that scenerio then I see no reason to keep him any further
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The other problem is this season is the easier schedule. NC State v Oregon. Bama and Florida at home v away. The talent might be slightly better next year, but this year was really the best chance of the two to win some decent games.
 
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MSCE09 said:
The other problem is this season is the easier schedule. NC State v Oregon. Bama and Florida at home v away. The talent might be slightly better next year, but this year was really the best chance of the two to win some decent games.
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Yea but we get UGA and SC at home next year, and I hope we don't get dealt the West's third best team on the road AGAIN next year. Schedule will likely be a little tougher but it may not be. You never know.
 
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What if Hunter,CP, Bray don't come back then what do you have in your pocket Dooley hmmmmmm ok go Dooley I almost forgot can't bash him till the last game go VOLS
 
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mpfvol said:
What if Hunter,CP, Bray don't come back then what do you have in your pocket Dooley hmmmmmm ok go Dooley I almost forgot can't bash him till the last game go VOLS
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Bray and Hunter haven't been that great this season man. Hunter showed up last year but is nonexistent now.
 
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Sure, fans have a right to be pissed. Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatic is a noun that is defined as: "A person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, esp. for an extreme religious or political cause". A synonym sometimes used for terrorist is "religious fanatic".

I say that because I believe being a fan gives you a right to be as emotional as you want about your team (within obvious legal and moral bounds). Being emotional does not make you correct, however. Do you know anyone who has ever made an emotionally driven decision that turned out to be best? I don't. I know plenty of people, however, who have made an emotionally charged decision and lived to regret it. You don't drunk dial, you don't send angry work emails, you don't deal with your children when you are angry, those things never end well. There is a reason for sayings like "cooler heads will prevail" and it is because hot (ie passionate) heads usually make the wrong decisions. Passion isn't inherently bad, but bar brawls, murders and other senseless acts have been fueled by passion. I am sure we have all seen or heard about the "tea-bagging bammer", you have to admit that is a passionate fan. You also have to admit that he is an idiot.

One of our greatest assets as a nation is our freedom of speech. The problem with that freedom is that it doesn't have a prerequisite of intelligence or foresight. So go on, be passionate, be vocal, be angry but know that ultimately that is at best slightly hindering recruiting and at worst could be demoralizing to a team that is truly trying (yes, we also have definitive proof that they read this stuff).

Let me end with this, while you are being vocal and passionate for the supposed "good" of our team, remember that last year at least one star linebacker recruit was persuaded to go to Arkansas because of the "fire Dooley" chatter that existed even then. There is no doubt that he would have made an impact this year. There is also no doubt that with the increased cacophony of fire Dooley noise from the fanbase that many other recruits will at least be bombarded with coaches who say that UT is in a state of disarray (and with a few clicks of the mouse could point to a website like volnation for definitive proof). So while you are wanting immediate change (and really have no say-so in the matter) you are actually making it more difficult for not only Dooley, but any coach who will eventually replace him because the vocal minority is hindering an ability to recruit.
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
The senior class is still from 09' which was kiffin. Aka Bryce brown and the "super class". The fact that we only have 1 or 2 seniors (Bullard and maybe waggner) contributing at an SEC level game in and game out, I would argue that given another year of bringing in guys and building up current guys Dooley would finally have a team he can fully claim as his own. Once that is the case I would expect there to be results. If he doesn't deliver with that scenerio then I see no reason to keep him any further

Edit: my bad, I forgot Mychal Rivera and Zach Rogers. Both are pre Dooley guys that are contributing at a high enough level. That means between RS seniors and regular seniors, I count 4-5 guys that play at an SEC level.
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What you fail to understand is that the players Dooley actually recruited aren't SEC level either...
 
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80% of the players if not more are Dooley players. I'm disheartened at how easily we accept below-average football.
 
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daj2576 said:
Sure, fans have a right to be pissed. Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatic is a noun that is defined as: "A person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, esp. for an extreme religious or political cause". A synonym sometimes used for terrorist is "religious fanatic".

I say that because I believe being a fan gives you a right to be as emotional as you want about your team (within obvious legal and moral bounds). Being emotional does not make you correct, however. Do you know anyone who has ever made an emotionally driven decision that turned out to be best? I don't. I know plenty of people, however, who have made an emotionally charged decision and lived to regret it. You don't drunk dial, you don't send angry work emails, you don't deal with your children when you are angry, those things never end well. There is a reason for sayings like "cooler heads will prevail" and it is because hot (ie passionate) heads usually make the wrong decisions. Passion isn't inherently bad, but bar brawls, murders and other senseless acts have been fueled by passion. I am sure we have all seen or heard about the "tea-bagging bammer", you have to admit that is a passionate fan. You also have to admit that he is an idiot.

One of our greatest assets as a nation is our freedom of speech. The problem with that freedom is that it doesn't have a prerequisite of intelligence or foresight. So go on, be passionate, be vocal, be angry but know that ultimately that is at best slightly hindering recruiting and at worst could be demoralizing to a team that is truly trying (yes, we also have definitive proof that they read this stuff).

Let me end with this, while you are being vocal and passionate for the supposed "good" of our team, remember that last year at least one star linebacker recruit was persuaded to go to Arkansas because of the "fire Dooley" chatter that existed even then. There is no doubt that he would have made an impact this year. There is also no doubt that with the increased cacophony of fire Dooley noise from the fanbase that many other recruits will at least be bombarded with coaches who say that UT is in a state of disarray (and with a few clicks of the mouse could point to a website like volnation for definitive proof). So while you are wanting immediate change (and really have no say-so in the matter) you are actually making it more difficult for not only Dooley, but any coach who will eventually replace him because the vocal minority is hindering an ability to recruit.
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Re: My previous post in this thread

You and I need to keep this one going on the first page for a bit. I feel it hits both (all) sides. Rationality and reality have been lost, for the most part. I'll stay (and open up after years of silence). Hope your largely and openly views stick with it. I will support with the narrow base of UT football and its future.
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