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MedicT said:
Couldn't agree more. Yet we have here a nonstop cavalcade(big word for the day) of pro Grudey comments based on for the most part a lackluster pro coaching career.:dunno:
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I do agree that Gruden would be an excellent salesman for recruiting. Whether or not he could coach on the college level is a roll of the dice. His personality would draw in recruits and if you think 5* recruits are all that is required to win then I understand your opinion. Certainly would be fun to watch but a long rebuilding road under Gruden would put us right back here in about, let me see, 3 years.
 
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I think Gruden has already assembled most of his coaching staff and getting the low down on next year's recruiting - class as we speak.

Someone's days are numbered, and it could be all of us.
 
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MedicT said:
I do agree that Gruden would be an excellent salesman for recruiting. Whether or not he could coach on the college level is a roll of the dice. His personality would draw in recruits and if you think 5* recruits are all that is required to win then I understand your opinion. Certainly would be fun to watch but a long rebuilding road under Gruden would put us right back here in about, let me see, 3 years.
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Don't get all worked up about Gruden coaching at Tennessee. It is rumored that he will be the next coach at Auburn.
 
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MedicT said:
I do agree that Gruden would be an excellent salesman for recruiting. Whether or not he could coach on the college level is a roll of the dice. His personality would draw in recruits and if you think 5* recruits are all that is required to win then I understand your opinion. Certainly would be fun to watch but a long rebuilding road under Gruden would put us right back here in about, let me see, 3 years.
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What would be the difference in coaching College players vs. NFL players other than age? Does football change in the NFL other than speed wise?
 
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MWR said:
I think Gruden has already assembled most of his coaching staff and getting the low down on next year's recruiting - class as we speak.

Someone's days are numbered, and it could be all of us.
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I look forward to the reports of whom the staff might be coming from his pool guy's, mother in law's, yard man who overheard a conversation over dinner between a guy who once waited on Hart and someone who went to HS with Gruden's barber.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
What would be the difference in coaching College players vs. NFL players other than age? Does football change in the NFL other than speed wise?
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Completely different dynamic. Pro you are dealing with the top talent across the board who have proven their ability to deliver. CFB you are dealing with 19-22 year old kids who "should" be able to deliver. Maturity always comes into play, as any parent knows.
 
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MedicT said:
Completely different dynamic. Pro you are dealing with the top talent across the board who have proven their ability to deliver. CFB you are dealing with 19-22 year old kids who "should" be able to deliver. Maturity always comes into play, as any parent knows.
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Not when it comes down to coaching. A coach that can coach, has respect from his players, they will be willing to go through "burning walls" from said coach.

Personally I have had great coaches and I have had good coaches. The great coaches you will do anything for. The good coaches, not as much. When a coach demands perfection and a player buys into what he is selling, he will get that from the player. When the player doesn't, they keep jumping off sides.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Not when it comes down to coaching. A coach that can coach, has respect from his players, they will be willing to go through "burning walls" from said coach.

Personally I have had great coaches and I have had good coaches. The great coaches you will do anything for. The good coaches, not as much. When a coach demands perfection and a player buys into what he is selling, he will get that from the player. When the player doesn't, they keep jumping off sides.
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Then how do you explain Spurrier's foray into the NFL, as someone mentioned earlier, compared to his success at SC?
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Not when it comes down to coaching. A coach that can coach, has respect from his players, they will be willing to go through "burning walls" from said coach.

Personally I have had great coaches and I have had good coaches. The great coaches you will do anything for. The good coaches, not as much. When a coach demands perfection and a player buys into what he is selling, he will get that from the player. When the player doesn't, they keep jumping off sides.
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That's my exact problem with Dooley. His own players are showing they don't believe Dooley after his first 2 years. I was hoping it wouldn't be like this, but it is.
 
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Here is a dynamic for you to ponder.
Would an elite high school player rather go play for a coach that talks about feeding assorted colored dogs, gives proper shower taking seminars, has extensive knowledge on bamboo growing, and has an unhealthy obsession with Germans?
Or.
Would this player rather come play for a coach that has actually won big games, knows what it takes to make it to the pros, and is sought out by elite talent from college to the pros to learn from his pool of knowledge?
 
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Doyle there is no question that Gruden has the charisma to draw in recruits. I just don't buy into the idea that Gruden could bring the program along fast enough to prevent the same fan base collapse we see now. That would be a 5 million dollar, or so, gamble and I'm not convinced the heavyweight boosters are willing to accept the risk.

I discussed with the girl running the register at Walmart last night who once checked out a GA working for Hart so I know I am correct. (requisite snide remark)
 
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