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gcbvol said:
Might be true, but how pathetic is that? Are we seriously at the level where a win over MSU is the measuring stick? Just a sad state.
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I see it as important, but not in the sense that it is a measuring stick. That game will send the team into Bama and USCe with some hope or 0-3 and the conference with a good possiblity of starting 0-5.
 
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JayVols said:
I said for Vandy and KY. As in that's a goal they would be happy with.

Why are we so ready to accept this? I truly don't understand.
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2 recruiting classes that were DD recruited, his first year signed was mostly Kiffin recruits

Every coach worth hiring at UT is guaging us on our level of committment to turn things around. Not only does that mean W's it also means support from the AD.

The dumpster fire that DD inherited

Majors started out 21-23-1 his first 4 years of the last rebuild and he was not only a Vol but had won a NC the year prior to coming here. Much harder to rebuild now verses then and the SEC is much tougher now than what it was then. I really don't want to hear it was Majors so he deserved more time, a rebuild is a rebuild and it was easier then than now.

I am no DD supporter or basher, I know fans are upset not winning as I am as well but our recruiting base is much smaller now with our surrounding SEC states programs ranked in the top 10.
 
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GmanTN said:
2 recruiting classes that were DD recruited, his first year signed was mostly Kiffin recruits

Every coach worth hiring at UT is guaging us on our level of committment to turn things around. Not only does that mean W's it also means support from the AD.

The dumpster fire that DD inherited

Majors started out 21-23-1 his first 4 years of the last rebuild and he was not only a Vol but had won a NC the year prior to coming here. Much harder to rebuild now verses then and the SEC is much tougher now than what it was then. I really don't want to hear it was Majors so he deserved more time, a rebuild is a rebuild and it was easier then than now.

I am no DD supporter or basher, I know fans are upset not winning as I am as well but our recruiting base is much smaller now with our surrounding SEC states programs ranked in the top 10.
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Majors to Dooley comparisons are apples and oranges.

Majors was coming off a National Championship. He was a UT legend.

Dooley was a loser coach in the WAC. He is the son of a GA legend.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I see it as important, but not in the sense that it is a measuring stick. That game will send the team into Bama and USCe with some hope or 0-3 and the conference with a good possiblity of starting 0-5.
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Oh, I agree with you completely on that point. I just feel looking singularly at the MSU game, a win there should not be equated to a victory over the big boys and have no greater bearing on potential changes.
 
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JayVols said:
Majors to Dooley comparisons are apples and oranges.

Majors was coming off a National Championship. He was a UT legend.

Dooley was a loser coach in the WAC. He is the son of a GA legend.
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Love ya Jay but that's Bull Sh!t.
History means nothing to me.
If you give 3 yrs to turn things around that's all you get. Winning a nc at Pitt is irrelevant to Tn football.
can you tell I wasn't a fan of Majors as a Coach.
 
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gcbvol said:
Oh, I agree with you completely on that point. I just feel looking singularly at the MSU game, a win there should not be equated to a victory over the big boys and have no greater bearing on potential changes.
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I don't view as one either. I think they are a solid team that UT is not gonna walk over, but should be expected to beat.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
Love ya Jay but that's Bull Sh!t.
History means nothing to me.
If you give 3 yrs to turn things around that's all you get. Winning a nc at Pitt is irrelevant to Tn football.
can you tell I wasn't a fan of Majors as a Coach.
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Interseting idea.

How would you select a coach?
 
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orangeslice13 said:
Love ya Jay but that's Bull Sh!t.
History means nothing to me.
If you give 3 yrs to turn things around that's all you get. Winning a nc at Pitt is irrelevant to Tn football.
can you tell I wasn't a fan of Majors as a Coach.
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His point was spot on.

To me we should focus more on what he said about Dooley, not Majors.

Dooley has never proved anything. He sucked in a lower grade conference and he sucks here.
 
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JayVols said:
Majors to Dooley comparisons are apples and oranges.

Majors was coming off a National Championship. He was a UT legend.

Dooley was a loser coach in the WAC. He is the son of a GA legend.
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21-23-1
21-23-1
21-23-1
21-23-1

It screams loser no matter how many excuses you make, his name or DD is irrelevant. His first 4 year record is what it is and it was done in a much easier time in the SEC period.
 
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GmanTN said:
21-23-1
21-23-1
21-23-1
21-23-1

It screams loser no matter how many excuses you make, his name or DD is irrelevant. His first 4 year record is what it is and it was done in a much easier time in the SEC period.
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So if it is much much tougher now, what makes you think he's gonna get it turned around?
 
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GmanTN said:
In the eyes of potential coaching candidates the view of Hart will be large and being a man of his word will be taken into consideration if a big name coach is being courted for the next HC.

If Neyland is at 70 to 80% capacity the rest of this year Hart will roll the dice to the end of 2013. Fans want wins and I am no exception but from a PR perspective I can easily see this being the likely scenario.

A top name HC is not going to consider coming here if the AD who helped hire the replacement coaches fires them 1 year into their 2 year contracts. It is not that difficult to understand when you are looking at things from a potential HC replacement or from Hart's perspective.
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Does Hart give Dooley an extension after this season then, therefore giving a likely lame duck coach the same buyout deal he has now? Does he renegotiate the buyout down? Or does he not give an extension at all, which could be used against us in recruiting?
 
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Godfatha said:
Does Hart give Dooley an extension after this season then, therefore giving a likely lame duck coach the same buyout deal he has now? Does he renegotiate the buyout down? Or does he not give an extension at all, which could be used against us in recruiting?
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8-4 gets carefully worded extension that really means he can easily be fired but in the media reports helps recruiting.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
Love ya Jay but that's Bull Sh!t.
History means nothing to me.
If you give 3 yrs to turn things around that's all you get. Winning a nc at Pitt is irrelevant to Tn football.
can you tell I wasn't a fan of Majors as a Coach.
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We all have flaws.
 
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gmantn said:
21-23-1
21-23-1
21-23-1
21-23-1

it screams loser no matter how many excuses you make, his name or dd is irrelevant. His first 4 year record is what it is and it was done in a much easier time in the sec period.
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lol.
 
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