President That Has Damaged Liberty the Most?

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Professor Nono

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Which one? From Gerald Ford forward. My vote is King Bush II because of the USA Patriot Act of 2001.
 
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If your gonna pick a starting point. Let us choose from the beginning. It seems like you ate trying to funnel is into your answer by limiting the choices.
 
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Bush is gone man

the current man in the WH hasn't seen fit to remove that dangerous PA either. If fact they basically just added on top of it with NDAA. We are allowing them to constantly take away more and more no matter who is in office.
 
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Patriot Act and NDAA are the two greatest piles of freedom grabbing bs ever hoisted on the American people. Scares the hell out of me.
 
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Missourivol - I wanted to keep it in the relatively modern era because of troublesome times like the very beginning of the nation (when some wanted Washington to become a king) and the civil war, where habeas corpus was suspended. I'm more concerned with the pattern of liberty erosion since 9/11 - is it necessary?
 
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Bush II = Obama

I don't see a difference as far as liberty is concerned. None of them did much for liberty, but we can still rank them on liberty and it probably goes like this:

Clinton
Carter
Ford
Nixon
Reagan
Bush
Bush II
Obama

Nixon gets a bump for his part in ending the draft.
 
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PimpVol said:
You call this working? Hah. Quite funny.
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No, I call it BS. but let the people keep drinking the kool aid one day they will understand the way the system is set up and the 2 party system wants to keep it like that.
 
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Professor Nono said:
Which one? From Gerald Ford forward. My vote is King Bush II because of the USA Patriot Act of 2001.
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Actually Lincoln did worse with habeus corpus etc. Then again, Washington exercised lethal extra-constitutional authority a couple of times, Jackson and a bunch of his successors practiced genocide. I mean, heck if you are going to take things out of context...
 
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golfballs said:
Why only after Gerald Ford??

Woodrow Wilson gets my vote for the income tax
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Wilson's worst effort was the federal reserve act that he snuck through on Christmas eve when most senators had gone home for the holidays.

The income tax was part of that infamous bill but wasn't really enforced until FDR came to office and the really rich peope put their money in untaxable trusts, thus insuring a feudalistic system that seperates the wealthy from the not so wealthy for as long as the fed act and it's 300+ amendments exist.

One of the progeny of those who own us lock stock and barrel through the central banking system that was much opposed by the founding fathers and Jackson, Lincoln and McKinley and others, bragged that only one man in a million could understand it and there would be no objection from that sector because those people would be beholden to the system for their livelihood.

I don't understand why one man in a million doesn't understand the system but so far I havn't found anyone on this site who does, go figga.

Anther thing that apparently isn't understood is the 'consumer protection act', otherwise known as the dud fwank bill. (another bill that strengthens the federal reserve act)

The most important thing about that bill is that whenever the next financial crisis comes, (and it is sure to come sooner or later, probably sooner), congress will not have to be consulted about a bailout, the dud fwank bill insures that those entities that are deemed to be too big to fail, ie the fed and the international central banking system, will automatically be bailed out.

Smaller regional bankers are NOT protected and therefore can't take the risks the central banks can and are screaming bloody murder but the media, (owned by the same interests that own the central banking system) are deaf to such protests.

What really really REALLY tees me off is that it virtually enslaves my grandchildren through taxes, not to mention it is a slap in my face and to every other reasonably intelligent American who cherishes freedom.




PimpVol said:
How much did he take with him?
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Well he didn't steal the silverware like Hitlery did!






Professor Nono said:
Which one? From Gerald Ford forward. My vote is King Bush II because of the USA Patriot Act of 2001.
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Ranking the five worst since Ford.

1. Obama
2. Carter
3. Clinton
4. Bush II
5. Bush I

Clinton could easily top the list except that when he tried to ram through hitlerycare, he produced a backlash that enabled the republican'ts to take control of congress, (thus the national purse strings) for the first time in fifty years. (unfortunately they fumbled the ball inside the five under Bush II.)
 
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Well stated GS - I cannot envision what America will be like for my grandchildren. My thought is to teach skills and let the cream rise to the top DESPITE what the gov is doing.
 
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The whole "damaged liberty" thing is so overblown. I still have the freedom to live a normal life, voice my opinions and enjoy what society has to offer. No amount of partisan fear mongering is going to change that.

If I want to have less freedom, I'll go back to pretty much any period in American history that isn't the present day.
 
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UTRavens said:
The whole "damaged liberty" thing is so overblown. I still have the freedom to live a normal life, voice my opinions and enjoy what society has to offer. No amount of partisan fear mongering is going to change that.

If I want to have less freedom, I'll go back to pretty much any period in American history that isn't the present day.
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utvolpj said:
Bush is gone man

the current man in the WH hasn't seen fit to remove that dangerous PA either. If fact they basically just added on top of it with NDAA. We are allowing them to constantly take away more and more no matter who is in office.
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People make comments about not letting the terrorists win.....
 
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UTRavens said:
The whole "damaged liberty" thing is so overblown. I still have the freedom to live a normal life, voice my opinions and enjoy what society has to offer. No amount of partisan fear mongering is going to change that.

If I want to have less freedom, I'll go back to pretty much any period in American history that isn't the present day.
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Wait until you get cancer and they tell you that you can't smoke pot, and your doctors replace 1 natural drug with 5 man-made drugs to treat the side effects of your chemo. Ironically, in turn the drugs typically produce their own negative side effects.

Wait until you are found with a large sum of cash and a cop decides to confiscate it without PC.

We're free to an extent, but liberty is definitely on the decline. The POTUS had an American citizen assassinated/murdered this year. PATRIOT Act. TSA. Raw Milk. Hemp. We can't buy from Cuba. Etc. We're not as free as we'd like to think.
 
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