Jerry Falwell dies.............

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allvol123 said:
Yes, and I am sure this put CBS on the brink of bankruptcy and probably completely altered their strategy for every future show they had in the works. You will never see gay people on tv, premarital sex scenes or drug use. It is practically Andy Griffith on the airwaves 24/7. Again, some people give the religious zealots more credit than they have earned.
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In my eyes, they've earned enough to be a factor in the loss of money (if you consider Religion to be a complete cop-out; Many things attributed in the Bible hold great merit to the ones following, therefor if something that contradicted what they thought to be true, as they were taught, the impact will seem to piss more xians off. anywas xians, carry on--I'm just ranting :banghead2:). Also, I consider that they've have a substantial influence in the lack-of the versatility and increased strictness, which includes the things you listed, on TV programs. I'm not saying they are the causing factor, as we all know that's credited to the upper-tier guys (CEO?) at CBS or any other media outlet.

/rant over

edit: again, if I'm totally off (which seems to happening alot) correct me-- if you don't mind, that is.
 
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allvol123 said:
Yes, "zing". Ask someone how religion in this country has impacted or restricted their enjoyment of life and you get "TV". Zing!
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You presented something that could hold a broad range of possibilities. Hat presented of possibility, the answer is not going to be TV at all times. You know that. :mf_surrender:
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's just one example. The Christian Coalition and their ilk engaging in groupthink voting and helping elect candidates based on their views of non issues like abortion, gay marriage, and the teaching of intelligent design has lessened the quality of every Americans' life by helping put rubes and hayseeds intellectually unfit to be a City Council person in Newport, Tennessee in our Congress. Luckily, it appears the voting public has arisen from their slumber and has begun purging those mental cripples.
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Well stated. Honestly, your posts amuse me (don't take wrong; I can only fathom the possibility of how small-minded you could make me seem by down-grading an opinion of mine). Now I'm giving you too much praise.. :worship::dunno::swoon3:
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's just one example. The Christian Coalition and their ilk engaging in groupthink voting and helping elect candidates based on their views of non issues like abortion, gay marriage, and the teaching of intelligent design has lessened the quality of every Americans' life by helping put rubes and hayseeds intellectually unfit to be a City Council person in Newport, Tennessee in our Congress. Luckily, it appears the voting public has arisen from their slumber and has begun purging those mental cripples.
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The bold part, how unAmerican to steal a line from you.

But, again these people really don't have much of an impact on my life or anyone else's for the most part.
 
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allvol123 said:
The bold part, how unAmerican to steal a line from you.

But, again these people really don't have much of an impact on my life or anyone else's for the most part.
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Nice job of attempting to cut a statement up to remove it from context. I seriously doubt Jefferson, Paine, or Adams would have problems criticizing people for interjecting religion into the electoral process by advocating candidates dead set on interjecting government into issues they have no business legislating.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Nice job of attempting to cut a statement up to remove it from context. I seriously doubt Jefferson, Paine, or Adams would have problems criticizing people for interjecting religion into the electoral process by advocating candidates dead set on interjecting government into issues they have no business legislating.
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I cut nothing up, quoted your whole post. On the other hand, in your use of "unAmerican", you most certainly cut up my post.

They can criticize all the want, but it is irrelevant. If they have no business interjecting their views into legislation, then I am sure the religious courts will strike these laws down. So again, these people have very little impact on anyone's life or enjoyment of it in America.
 
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This is the part where everyone sends one last look, a look that can only be presented that they (debaters, people arguing, myself) know it's lost cause, because nothing can be gained (if anything can, it's taking too long and isn't worth it. :p), then we all leave the thread. Make sure to say GG. Or at least that's what I'm gonna try to do, as I'm getting even more confused trying to keep up with the arguments. But then again, if this thread keeps on goin', I'll probably be drawn in. 'Cause to me, controversial topics are amusing and educational (I can't keep up with some of you, though).

Anyways, GG.

Say hi to the underlord if you can for me, because according to some people's logic, I'll see him sooner or later.

oh, rip falwell, my condolences and best wishes to the family and the xians who seemed to think he was worthy of canonization, as they've lost a valuable man.
 
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allvol123 said:
I cut nothing up, quoted your whole post. On the other hand, in your use of "unAmerican", you most certainly cut up my post.

They can criticize all the want, but it is irrelevant. If they have no business interjecting their views into legislation, then I am sure the religious courts will strike these laws down. So again, these people have very little impact on anyone's life or enjoyment of it in America.
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Great logic. We should have protracted, expensive legal battles to prove points that would not be in debate if the snake handlers would put down the Bible long enough to read the supreme law of the land, the Constitution.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Great logic. We should have protracted, expensive legal battles to prove points that would not be in debate if the snake handlers would put down the Bible long enough to read the supreme law of the land, the Constitution.
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Better logic. We should determine how legitimate an issue is by how much it costs the court system. Certainly it shouldn't cost too much money to knock down issues that are so explicity defined by the Constitution. Let's cut thorugh it all and have a dictatorship. Now that is certainly "unAmerican".
 
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allvol123 said:
Better logic. We should determine how legitimate an issue is by how much it costs the court system. Certainly it shouldn't cost too much money to knock down issues that are so explicity defined by the Constitution. Let's cut thorugh it all and have a dictatorship. Now that is certainly "unAmerican".
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Quick rule of thumb:If it involves the teaching of religious tenets in public schools, it's unconstitutional.That is one of the best established precedents in American jurisprudence. However, every year, citizens have to sue Bible toting schoolboards, like the mental invalids in Kansas who wanted to teach intelligent design as science, to ensure that their schools don't turn into seminaries. That is a burden taxpayers shoudn't bear. If the religious zealots were forced to dip into their pockets, instead of the public coffers, to fund the lawsuits resulting from their patently unconstitutional acts you can guarantee we wouldn't see anymore cirriculums where religious fable is passed off as legitimate science.
 
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One, citizens don't "have" to sue anyone. A few choose to because they prefer to turnover the entire apple cart for their own little selfish pursuit of their "religion".

Two, I cannot remember what our inital argument was about
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allvol123 said:
One, citizens don't "have" to sue anyone.
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What is their other choice? Subject their children to faux science and fairy tale? Let me get this straight, they should not vindicate their right to not have the state force religion on their children?
 
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Unless a private school for religion, there should not be people forced to be taught religion. However, I can't stand when people whine about the under god in the pledge. If you don't like that then just don't say it.
 
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Teach their children themselves, even if they do send the kid to school as well. Anyone that sends their child to public school and lets their child believe everything that a public school puts out to be the "gospel" is a foolish parent to begin with. I doubt these people that sue over this issue care so much about their child being harmed, but care more about their view of the world being used. No different than the religious zealot in that respect.
 
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allvol123 said:
Teach their children themselves, even if they do send the kid to school as well. Anyone that sends their child to public school and lets their child believe everything that a public school puts out to be the "gospel" is a foolish parent to begin with. I doubt these people that sue over this issue care so much about their child being harmed, but care more about their view of the world being used. No different than the religious zealot in that respect.
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Parents should not have to waste time unteaching something put in their children's head in contravention of the Constitution.
 
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Ok, but they can tell them to pass over the words "under god" at the very least. It's not like we then proceed to read the gospel...
 
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hatvol96 said:
Parents should not have to waste time unteaching something put in their children's head in contravention of the Constitution.
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Again, any parent relying on a public school to teach their kid without the parent going over it with the child on an almost daily basis is a fool of a parent. Whether it has to do with the Constitution or not is irrelevant to me.
 
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The two fundamental problems with this debate (no pun intended) are that:

1) Almost all religions have as a major tenet the notion that they are responsible for spreading their religion to the masses. Christians have an obligation to "spread the word," Mormons have an obligation to go on a mission, and Muslims, if you believe the bad press, are to convert or destroy the non-believers. So, when people feel strongly enough about their faith to actually run for office based on it, you can rest assured that first order of business is to inculcate everyone else in their belief system.

2) There is an inherent collision between free speech rights and freedom of religion (or, depending on your point of view, freedom FROM religion). As adults, we don't particularly care if someone wants to try to espouse their religion. It gets too close to home, though, with our kids, then we get nervous that they are going to show up one day wanting to go stay at summer camp with a guy named Koresh down in Waco.

Its not a question of who is right and who is wrong in the tension over religious v. scientific debate, its a question of the debate over where the line is between free speech and the establishment clause. And that is something over which the brightest minds in the history of the nation have struggled for centuries.

Trust me, no one is going to come up with the magic balance on those two ephemeral (indeed ethereal) principles here on Volnation.com.
 
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allvol123 said:
Again, any parent relying on a public school to teach their kid without the parent going over it with the child on an almost daily basis is a fool of a parent. Whether it has to do with the Constitution or not is irrelevant to me.
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So lawless religious flakes have the right to make a parent's job harder? That's nice.
 
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hatvol96 said:
So lawless religious flakes have the right to make a parent's job harder? That's nice.
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Not sure any lawless religious flakes are making life harder for me, and I am a parent. Really don't see them making it harder for anyone else either. But that is your view I guess.
 
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