Coach Martin vs. Coach Dooley (merged)

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99gator said:
you can see improvement without wins and losses being there. the tennessee baseball team will be like that once conference season starts. it may not show on the scoreboard, but you will see them play the game better.

with regard to florida, some things did clearly improve as the year went on. like the secondary.

some things didn't and you can bet, i am very worried about it and a lot of other people are. do i think they have world beaters at some positions? no. but, i bet they had someone on the roster who could play wr that should have been able to run a route, get open and catch the occasional pass. when you can't do that against vanderbilt, that's coaching. that's not lack of talent.

the same thing applies to parts of tennessee's squad. ok, so the offensive line isn't all world. fine. but, you can't hand the ball off and get yards against the little sisters of the poor. not just against conference opponents, but the ones you pay to come to neyland to lose. it can't get better from game 1 to game 12. this is just the most obvious example.

it's not a fluke that at florida, defensive personnel got better as the season went along and the offensive personnel didn't. there's no excuse for not being able to have a qb throw a pass 10 yards downfield and complete it to a wr by game 12 of the season. i don't care if you are starting 11 freshmen all season long

so, while the ceiling potential varies from player to player and unit to unit, you should be able to see improvement.

that didn't happen in a lot of areas at tennessee or at florida.
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Agree with all of this. Am I concerned that the o-line hasn't progressed as well in the running game from year 1 to year 2? Heck yes I am. But like florida Ut had some positions and players that improved a lot while a lot greatly underperformed. We pretty much forced the offensive line coach out the door so we will see if it helps. Am I concerned with a player like Jac smith not showing improvement? Heck yes. There are a lot of areas of this team that obviously needs improvement. You stated you can't find improvement and I gave you examples. If Ut fails this year I won't whine and ***** constantly like some other morons, but it will be evident enough that Dooley needs to go. I don't expect any team with the circumstances of the last two years to win. This year there is zero excuses unless half the starters come up missing.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
That's your opinion. I've seen enough. He had a losing record at La Tech and after 2 seasons he has a losing record at UT.
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Bringing a perennial cellar dweller in the WAC to it's first bowl win in almost 3 decades isn't that bad. Losing 6 starters for the season to injury plus losing 20 more starters for significant time during his 3rd season there is bad and it's hard to win under those circumstances. Surely you can agree with that. If you don't, then you're not looking for discussion.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
The Defend Dooley No Matter What Brigade have nothing but excuses and diversion.
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You pegged me, genius. This defend Dooley brigade member thinks he should be gone after this year if the team looks like crap. That's a pretty common stance by most, actually, but most people don't bring up the same old **** from the last 2 years everyday, as you and your teammates do. I guess its you, Fiji, jg, and a couple more that would rather rehash than anything.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You pegged me, genius. This defend Dooley brigade member thinks he should be gone after this year if the team looks like crap. That's a pretty common stance by most, actually, but most people don't bring up the same old **** from the last 2 years everyday, as you and your teammates do. I guess its you, Fiji, jg, and a couple more that would rather rehash than anything.
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Save your typing; obviously if you want Dooley gone if we suck next year that makes you part of the brigade, a sunshine pumper, a doolaider, etc.... Don't question the logic just go with it :)
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You pegged me, genius. This defend Dooley brigade member thinks he should be gone after this year if the team looks like crap. That's a pretty common stance by most, actually, but most people don't bring up the same old **** from the last 2 years everyday, as you and your teammates do. I guess its you, Fiji, jg, and a couple more that would rather rehash than anything.
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I don't understand why you're so upset. The guy asked what's gotten better under Dooley.

DD himself said he's improved shower discipline and he's watering bamboo.

I'm trying to be positive here. You can't use on the field results as something that's gotten better.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
You're dealing with the "Defend Dooley No Matter What" crowd. In their eyes he can do no wrong. For example 7 coaches bail in one off season is a good thing because they sucked. Never mind DD hired them and when they came on board the same people on here hailed them as great hires and proof of DD doing a great job.
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Defend Dooley No Matter What crowd is something only you could come up. Never knew it made you so upset that some fans support a coach that you don't care for. What's sad is people like you hate Dooley and would rather have UT fail instead of succeed because it would make you look better. But that's ok. You have to live with yourself each day and the rest of us don't.

Some of us aren't so much Dooley defenders as much as we don't think he should be fired or hammered to death because of the circumstances they faced this season. Combine the injuries plus the brutal schedule and you get what we got. Imagine if Tee Martin, Peerless Price, Al Wilson all got injured on top Jamal Lewis in 1998 how we would have done. That's what happened this year and then our opponents from the West had a combined record of 35-4 and all three of them finished in the Top 10.
 
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Sunshine pumpers whine and ***** more than anyone on this board. It's actually entertaining. Hurts their feelings to see anyone say anything negative about Dooley.
 
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justingroves said:
I don't understand why you're so upset. The guy asked what's gotten better under Dooley.

DD himself said he's improved shower discipline and he's watering bamboo.

I'm trying to be positive here. You can't use on the field results as something that's gotten better.
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Prior to our third offensive play against UF our passing game was as good as the mid 90's with Peyton.
 
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justingroves said:
I don't understand why you're so upset. The guy asked what's gotten better under Dooley.

DD himself said he's improved shower discipline and he's watering bamboo.

I'm trying to be positive here. You can't use on the field results as something that's gotten better.
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I'm not upset at all. The same people in the same type threads show up and say the same things.
I don't think that some of you want DD to be successful at UT, and I know I'm right. To each his own.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I'm not upset at all. The same people in the same type threads show up and say the same things.
I don't think that some of you want DD to be successful at UT, and I know I'm right. To each his own.
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Of course they want him to be successful, can't you tell with all the happy things they say? I think Dooley slept with their wives with the way they talk about him.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I'm not upset at all. The same people in the same type threads show up and say the same things.
I don't think that some of you want DD to be successful at UT, and I know I'm right. To each his own.
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I want the Tennessee football program to win. I don't care if Dooley is the guy leading it there. I doubt he will because he's a career loser as a HC that lost his team and the majority of his staff last season.
 
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Bigun said:
Prior to our third offensive play against UF our passing game was as good as the mid 90's with Peyton.
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Correct. However, the OL play was pitiful and the rushing offense was terrible.

So a QB left by Lane, a WR recruited by Willie Mack and a WR that some want kicked off led the way. That makes me feel comfortable Dooley is "the guy".
 
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justingroves said:
I want the Tennessee football program to win. I don't care if Dooley is the guy leading it there. I doubt he will because he's a career loser as a HC that lost his team and the majority of his staff last season.
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We shall see. If he does go, the program will be in the best shape it has been in awhile from a talent and depth standpoint.
 
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justingroves said:
Correct. However, the OL play was pitiful and the rushing offense was terrible.

So a QB left by Lane, a WR recruited by Willie Mack and a WR that some want kicked off led the way. That makes me feel comfortable Dooley is "the guy".
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Must have missed where Willie Mack recruited Hunter but Dooley still had to close the deal.

I don't know if the Dooley is the guy or not but I'm not willing to say either way this early. It would be just as moronic and idiotic to say he will be great as it would be to say he will be a failure.

He sure seemed smart when our offense was unstoppable the first two games.

There is enough evidence on both sides of coaches who started their careers poorly but then came on strong and also the other way around.
 
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justingroves said:
Correct. However, the OL play was pitiful and the rushing offense was terrible.

So a QB left by Lane, a WR recruited by Willie Mack and a WR that some want kicked off led the way. That makes me feel comfortable Dooley is "the guy".
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A qb that luckily Chaney found after Lane missed on three qbs that haven't done crap in college, a wr that fell in love with Dooley, and and a wr that went from running sweep routes one year to a dominant sec wr the next.
 
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Bigun said:
Must have missed where Willie Mack recruited Hunter but Dooley still had to close the deal.

I don't know if the Dooley is the guy or not but I'm not willing to say either way this early. It would be just as moronic and idiotic to say he will be great as it would be to say he will be a failure.

He sure seemed smart when our offense was unstoppable the first two games.

There is enough evidence on both sides of coaches who started their careers poorly but then came on strong and also the other way around.
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You missed it.

Dooley has 4 terrible seasons in 5 years of coaching. That's plenty of evidence he's just not a very good HC.

Tennessee played an FCS school and a terrible defense from the Big East.

What coaches started out 4-12 in conference play and became conference winning, NC contending HC's?
 
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