NCAA tourney talk

#26
#26
WiseOlVol said:
Perhaps the most important endorsement of UT as at=large team is that they don't have any weaknesses. They're not quite great, but have all the pieces and they're working together. They could actually win 1-2 games in the NCAA tournament.
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This is one of those weird moving targets that changes from committee to committee. I remember a couple years ago they kept talking about the at large teams records against other tourney teams. Their logic was if you couldn't beat a tourney quality team in the regular season why should they think you could do it in the tourney.
 
#27
#27
esarmstrong said:
Even if we win out and get to the SEC tournament championship game, we will be going to the NIT, unless we win the conference tournament.

When you lose to Austin Peay, Oakland and College of Charleston in December, these are the kind of regrets you have in March. Beating Florida twice and UConn isn't going to be enough.
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Stokes changes the equation. The team is obviously better with him playing and the committee will take it into consideration. Will it be enough to make a difference? Only way to find out is to win the next 5 or 6 and find out.
Plus losing to CoC and Oakland on the road are not killer losses. It's the Austin Peay loss that hurts.
 
#28
#28
No one wants to play the Vols right now. They play a very physical game and seem to really enjoy playing defense to a man.

Furthermore, this team has seemingly made it over the hump. In the past couple of weeks the kids have not only bought into CCM's system but it's really starting to come naturally to them on the defensive side while things are slowly but surely coming together on offense.

With the physical presence this team has in the post and the way that they play defense if they can limit turn overs, hit some outside shots, and clean up their transition game / fast breaks they will be very competitive with anyone.
 
#29
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zansdad said:
That projected number keeps getting worse. The projection a week ago was something like 44. UCONN and Pitt's losing is not helping us. If they both continue to struggle the ceiling for UT will continue to lower as well

BTW. Beating Arky bumped UT up 6 places to 106 as of 11:00pm eastern. Beat Bama and they can get out of triple digits.
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it was never 44 by wining out, it was 44 by going into the c conference tourney.
 
#30
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esarmstrong said:
Even if we win out and get to the SEC tournament championship game, we will be going to the NIT, unless we win the conference tournament.

When you lose to Austin Peay, Oakland and College of Charleston in December, these are the kind of regrets you have in March. Beating Florida twice and UConn isn't going to be enough.
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WRONG!

the committee puts more weight on the last 2 months than the first 2 meaning those losses wont hurt as bad as if they were later in the year. also, they will look at how the team played AFTER jarnell stokes was added to the team, which didnt include losses to any of those teams.

winning out and making sec t championship as you say is a lock i promise.
 
#31
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bleedingTNorange said:
WRONG!

the committee puts more weight on the last 2 months than the first 2 meaning those losses wont hurt as bad as if they were later in the year. also, they will look at how the team played AFTER jarnell stokes was added to the team, which didnt include losses to any of those teams.

winning out and making sec t championship as you say is a lock i promise.
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#32
#32
We need to win the SEC tournament to make the Big Dance. But with the way we are playing, I think we can pull it off.

UK is a problem though. I have not figured out how we are going to beat them yet. Haha. Maybe we can get a little help from our ''friends'' from Gainesville or Starkville. To me, they, along with Vandy, are the only ones who can take down UK.
 
#33
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utfan72408 said:
We need to win the SEC tournament to make the Big Dance. But with the way we are playing, I think we can pull it off.

UK is a problem though. I have not figured out how we are going to beat them yet. Haha. Maybe we can get a little help from our ''friends'' from Gainesville or Starkville. To me, they, along with Vandy, are the only ones who can take down UK.
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have you read these threads? we dont need to win the sec tourney, i dont get why people keep saying this, it is so far from the truth.
 
#35
#35
zansdad said:
That projected number keeps getting worse. The projection a week ago was something like 44. UCONN and Pitt's losing is not helping us. If they both continue to struggle the ceiling for UT will continue to lower as well

BTW. Beating Arky bumped UT up 6 places to 106 as of 11:00pm eastern. Beat Bama and they can get out of triple digits.
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The projection of 44 was with two SEC tournament wins. The projection for winning out the regular season alone has been in the 60s since at least this weekend.
 
#36
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esarmstrong said:
Even if we win out and get to the SEC tournament championship game, we will be going to the NIT, unless we win the conference tournament.

When you lose to Austin Peay, Oakland and College of Charleston in December, these are the kind of regrets you have in March. Beating Florida twice and UConn isn't going to be enough.
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But when you lose to Charlotte (worse RPI than Peay), Oakland, and College of Charleston in December and finish with 14 losses, you get a 9 seed.
 
#38
#38
miggy4vols said:
We would need to win the SEC tourney to get in. RPI is too weak.
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First off I have no prowess in regards to this topic, but doesnt the selection committee also look at SOS? Ours being at 38 should help us no? Ad I have always heard that the committee leans heavier on the second half of the season.

I was thinking that if we make it to 18-13 regular season and get 2 wins in the tourney we get in? You dont think that woud do it?
 
#39
#39
bleedingTNorange said:
have you read these threads? we dont need to win the sec tourney, i dont get why people keep saying this, it is so far from the truth.
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Do you think 18-13 and 2 wins in the SEC would get it down? I dont know exactly how all this plays out with the selection committee...Also would a horrid road record play into the committee choosing us?
 
#41
#41
OsbourneBROS83 said:
Do you think 18-13 and 2 wins in the SEC would get it down? I dont know exactly how all this plays out with the selection committee...Also would a horrid road record play into the committee choosing us?
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Yes, that's 20-14 which rpiforecast says would put us around 40, which would be a lock.

I don't see the road record hurting us too badly because we aren't the only team struggling on the road, pretty much everyone besides uk,UF and vandy are. Plus if we close with 3 road wins that will definitely help.

People aren't realizing ALOT of weight is actually put on the last 2 months of the season not all season, add that jarnell stokes was also the last 2 months and I expect them to overlook our early season woes and really takes look at what we've done since January.
 
#43
#43
Sorry, is the sec tourney just a way of deciding who makes the big tourney from our conference or is it separate to win a sec trophy?

Also how does it work? Is it 1 seed vs bottom seed, 1 game elimination until the there is only one team left?
 
#44
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stephenk24 said:
Sorry, is the sec tourney just a way of deciding who makes the big tourney from our conference or is it separate to win a sec trophy?

Also how does it work? Is it 1 seed vs bottom seed, 1 game elimination until the there is only one team left?
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12 teams all make it, 1-4 get bye, 1 game elimination, winners gets an automatic bid to tournament.

This is where those at large bids and auto come into play for tournament. An auto bid is a team that wins their conference, they are automatically in the dance.

An at large Is a team that isn't an auto obviously but is good enough to be invited to dance by committee.

There are 31 Auto bids and 37 at large. So say s Carolina won the sec tournament that'd be very bad for us. Because they take the auto bid, and now a team like UK gets an at large bid instead of the auto. The more team that take auto bids the less of a chance we have to get one, so that's why you want all your conference favorites to win their tourneys and not some small .500 team
 
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#45
#45
Incipient said:
The projection of 44 was with two SEC tournament wins. The projection for winning out the regular season alone has been in the 60s since at least this weekend.
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I have been looking at rpiforcast for a few weeks. The first time I looked at it UT's protected RPI was about 44 for winning out the regular season.
 
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