ESPN Article about Fulmer and the Vols.

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VolinArizona said:
Nobody is asking CPF and UT to go undefeated every season. Find a post EVER that said that.
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NC = undefeated seasons (or 1 loss at most)

There are some, not you but some, that suggest UT should win a NC damn near every year. That is not going to happen, simply because the SEC is too strong. That is my point.
 
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#27
VolunteerHillbilly said:
1990 was one of CJM 3 SEC titles. I'm glad this subject resurfaced though. IMO CPF has two years to win the SEC, retire or be forced out. The Good Lord willing I'll be around to see the next HC at UTK!:rock:
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I'm know '90 was a Majors year, but nobody ever specified that we were only talking about Fulmer's teams in the 90s. He was just talking about the 90s in general. Glad you were able to get to the subject you wanted though. :hi:
 
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VolinArizona said:
With all due respect, I must set you straight. :) Not trying to be argumentative, but:

Tennessee isn't most. 8 wins is good enough for Clemson, Oregon, South Carolina, Cal, Arizona State, Maryland, NC State, etc. If we want to be grouped in with those teams, we aren't where we need to be.
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Thats what I'm talking about! Tennessee should be at the 10-11 win mark every year. And if they do that then they should be playing for the SEC championship.

justingroves said:
That is the truth. I don't know why some people on here think that if UT loses 2 games then the coach should be fired. It kills me. THE SEC IS STACKED. If UT wins a NC in the next 2-3 years I wonder what will happen to all the people that call for CPF's head.
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Let me put it this way, CPF said after Coach Majors was fired and he was hired that he was going to take Tennessee to the next level. He did and did a great job at doing it but HE (and Doug Dickey) built this Monster known as Tennessee Football: high ticket prices, high donations and high priced parking passes, etc. CPF made his bed and he'll have to sleep in it. He got himself in a bad situation with a horrible offensive staff which coached bad and recruited bad.
All that is over and now with the way Hamilton is acting or saying is that CPF is gonna have to produce Championships to keep his job.
 
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VolinArizona said:
With all due respect, I must set you straight. :) Not trying to be argumentative, but:

Tennessee isn't most. 8 wins is good enough for Clemson, Oregon, South Carolina, Cal, Arizona State, Maryland, NC State, etc. If we want to be grouped in with those teams, we aren't where we need to be.
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"That's Minnesota football, not Tennessee football."
 
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VolinArizona said:
With all due respect, I must set you straight. :) Not trying to be argumentative, but:

Tennessee isn't most. 8 wins is good enough for Clemson, Oregon, South Carolina, Cal, Arizona State, Maryland, NC State, etc. If we want to be grouped in with those teams, we aren't where we need to be.
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Agreed. But what coach is out there right now that would commit to staying at UT for 15+ years and provide a stable winning environment? There is none. Firing CPF next year will accomplish nothing. Who would come coach? Not someone who will jump at an NFL opportunity either, someone committed to stay at UT for years?
 
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justingroves said:
Agreed. But what coach is out there right now that would commit to staying at UT for 15+ years and provide a stable winning environment? There is none. Firing CPF next year will accomplish nothing. Who would come coach? Not someone who will jump at an NFL opportunity either, someone committed to stay at UT for years?
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It's a little silly to say there is nobody.
 
#44
#44
VolinArizona said:
Steve Kragthorpe

Gary Patterson

Chris Peterson

I would have imagined that you would have a better grip on this discussion, but I'm a little disappointed now.
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Boise State? Tulsa? Really? Those aren't exactly powerhouse schools.

No, those are some good names. But do you really think some of these boosters would agree to fund some young guy that hasn't proved anything besides win with Dan Hawkin's players or make Tulsa... Tulsa?

In all actuality those are good coaches. But there is alot of politics involved and most of these old codgers with money will turn their noses up at the thought of giving the job to someone from a middle of the pack school.

And would they stay? Or jump for NFL money?

I believe Kragthorpe is just waiting to jump(look good at Louisville for a couple of years and cha ching) and Peterson is content with his job.

Patterson would be nice though. I could see that.
 
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justingroves said:
Boise State? Tulsa? Really? Those aren't exactly powerhouse schools.

No, those are some good names. But do you really think some of these boosters would agree to fund some young guy that hasn't proved anything besides win with Dan Hawkin's players or make Tulsa... Tulsa?

In all actuality those are good coaches. But there is alot of politics involved and most of these old codgers with money will turn their noses up at the thought of giving the job to someone from a middle of the pack school.

And would they stay? Or jump for NFL money?

I believe Kragthorpe is just waiting to jump(look good at Louisville for a couple of years and cha ching) and Peterson is content with his job.

Patterson would be nice though. I could see that.
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It's just about impossible to know if a coach is wanting more than Tennessee. However, one of the worst reasons to not move on from a coach is the thought of "But we have nobody better to get."
 
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VolinArizona said:
It's just about impossible to know if a coach is wanting more than Tennessee. However, one of the worst reasons to not move on from a coach is the thought of "But we have nobody better to get."
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Agreed. But people will never realize how spoiled UT fans are. It's great to go and root for a team where 8 wins are not enough. But it is also insane to suggest we should change coaches like underwear like some people suggest.
 
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VolinArizona said:
It's a little silly to say there is nobody.
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Not silly at all.

There are those who would come to UT but who is out there with a track record we would take that would come?

NONE at this point!
I can tell you from experience, firing a coach and then getting the remaining players to buy into it can set the program back 3 to 4 years.

Be careful what we ask or wish for.
 
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Ooltewah Vol said:
Not silly at all.

There are those who would come to UT but who is out there with a track record we would take that would come?

NONE at this point!
I can tell you from experience, firing a coach and then getting the remaining players to buy into it can set the program back 3 to 4 years.

Be careful what we ask or wish for.
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OR you hire a new coach, and you immediately rebound.
 
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Yeah, OSU is still recovering from hiring Tressel.

A new coach could be either a great move or a bad move. But unless you want to except mediocrity, then you have to take a chance.
 
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#50
Ooltewah Vol said:
I can tell you from experience, firing a coach and then getting the remaining players to buy into it can set the program back 3 to 4 years. Be careful what we ask or wish for.
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Or the Vols could find the next Spurrier. IMO part of the problem with replacing coaches is that most programs wait until things are so bad that the new HC would have to be a miracle worker to turn things around. That scenario generally does not appeal to people who can pick and choose their opportunities, so you wind up having to hire an "interim" HC, or 2-3 interim coaches if you're Bama, hoping that the interim guy can get the program on an even enough keel to attract a top notch coach who can then come in and take it to the next level. It's much better to go ahead and get rid of a HC who is delivering mediocre results while you still have a talented roster and an enthusiastic fanbase. Hopefully, UTAD has learned from watching what UGA and UF have done with their last two hires.
 
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