Can Randy Shannon recruit?

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This may seem like a stupid question but there are some people who claim that he cannot based on some poor recruiting classes when he was head coach at Miami.

Post probation he had some struggles, but I would submit that the most relevant recruiting info regarding Shannon as DC, would be looking at recruiting with Shannon when he was DC at Miami.

Miami claims top 2008 recruiting class - insider - ESPN

This is from a number 1 class he had.

He was not a great head coach, but I would love to see numbers about him not being a great recruiter.

Randy Shannon and Miami Hurricanes ignore recruiting websites - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN
 
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The difference is now he gets to learn from CDD who was trained by the master recruiter...CNS...in 2 - 3 years CRS will be ready for the HC somewhere...

HC is mostly managing the coaches and players, but they are who you rely on to create a good team...CRS just didnt get a lot of good coaches to help him thru his learning curve...where as CDD did fairly well with who was available at the time...and build from that..
 
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Shannon was in the same boat Dooley got into when he took over. Even though Miami had a lot of highly–rated classes, there wasn’t real talent in them. That lack of real talent was what got Coker fired. He believed Rivals rather than his own eyes. Shannon went back to the Miami way: always get ballers.

Shannon also had to deal with...well, the stuff that all Miami coaches have to deal with. It just isn’t a normal job. But the squad he inherited was really thin when he got there. You can look at the NFL draft if you don’t believe me.

They ended their string of years with a #1 pick in 2009. In fact, only one player was drafted from the U in 2009. Shannon wasn’t responsible for all the recruiting before 2007, but when he did get in charge they started adding talent again.

2010 had more players drafted. 2011 had more players than 2010. And some of those players from that great 2008 class are starting to enter the draft this year. A lot of people were pretty upset that Shannon was given the boot when they saw that the recruiting was finally beginning to take hold.

I honestly don’t know what people there were expecting. He brought in good players and coached the stew out of ’em. They weren’t winning conference or BCS championships, but it’s not like there’s a lot of teams out there that can. FSU has had how many 5–stars in the past few years and have they even sniffed national title respectability? Nope.

Great players + great system = best chance at success.

tl;dr version:

Shannon was fired because his team had a lot of talent, but it was young and inexperienced–not because he was a bad coach or couldn’t recruit.
 
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d3ft punk said:
Shannon was in the same boat Dooley got into when he took over. Even though Miami had a lot of highly–rated classes, there wasn’t real talent in them. That lack of real talent was what got Coker fired. He believed Rivals rather than his own eyes. Shannon went back to the Miami way: always get ballers.

Shannon also had to deal with...well, the stuff that all Miami coaches have to deal with. It just isn’t a normal job. But the squad he inherited was really thin when he got there. You can look at the NFL draft if you don’t believe me.

They ended their string of years with a #1 pick in 2009. In fact, only one player was drafted from the U in 2009. Shannon wasn’t responsible for all the recruiting before 2007, but when he did get in charge they started adding talent again.

2010 had more players drafted. 2011 had more players than 2010. And some of those players from that great 2008 class are starting to enter the draft this year. A lot of people were pretty upset that Shannon was given the boot when they saw that the recruiting was finally beginning to take hold.

I honestly don’t know what people there were expecting. He brought in good players and coached the stew out of ’em. They weren’t winning conference or BCS championships, but it’s not like there’s a lot of teams out there that can. FSU has had how many 5–stars in the past few years and have they even sniffed national title respectability? Nope.

Great players + great system = best chance at success.

tl;dr version:

Shannon was fired because his team had a lot of talent, but it was young and inexperienced–not because he was a bad coach or couldn’t recruit.
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Is your avi rubbin one out?
 
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I sure hope he can recruit if he is the DC. It was a little disappointing watching the UA game last night and seeing Bama raking in committments from the top rated players, Georgia again getting the #1 rated runningback in Keith Marshall, and the group of Florida commits together doing the chop. I'm hoping that, when the DC and other staff are onboard, that they can pull a couple of those, especially Landon Collins. He is the type DB we need.
 
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ItsAllVols said:
The difference is now he gets to learn from CDD who was trained by the master recruiter...CNS...in 2 - 3 years CRS will be ready for the HC somewhere...

HC is mostly managing the coaches and players, but they are who you rely on to create a good team...CRS just didnt get a lot of good coaches to help him thru his learning curve...where as CDD did fairly well with who was available at the time...and build from that..
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Randy Shannon isn't going to "learn" anything from Dooley.
 
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Well, if we are to believe Dools, it shouldn't matter if he can recruit, because the Dools recruiting doctrine says to sell the total experience of playing at UT, and not come for one coach. Which I agree with 100%
 
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ItsAllVols said:
The difference is now he gets to learn from CDD who was trained by the master recruiter...CNS...in 2 - 3 years CRS will be ready for the HC somewhere...

HC is mostly managing the coaches and players, but they are who you rely on to create a good team...CRS just didnt get a lot of good coaches to help him thru his learning curve...where as CDD did fairly well with who was available at the time...and build from that..
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No man Randy Shannon was a decent coach he only had 1 lossing season and an above .500 record. They guy was doing the samethings as CDD.
 
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Willy999 said:
How about they both "learn" from each other and our football team kick some ass
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Fairpoint heck I bet Dooley and the water boy can help each other. The water boy maybe able to make sure we never have 13 men on the field again. j/k folks
 
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dgcarter43 said:
I sure hope he can recruit if he is the DC. It was a little disappointing watching the UA game last night and seeing Bama raking in committments from the top rated players, Georgia again getting the #1 rated runningback in Keith Marshall, and the group of Florida commits together doing the chop. I'm hoping that, when the DC and other staff are onboard, that they can pull a couple of those, especially Landon Collins. He is the type DB we need.
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Can some of you now understand why Fulmer didn't do what he should have? Oh, about 2000-2005 we should have been raking them in like that also with the success we had. Missing out on the 2001 NC game was our time to be in that game 2 out of 4 years and have the recruits drooling to come here. That's why AL is enjoying their run now, LSU in the same boat. Now, if you look at FL, that's more akin to what happened to us after 2001!
 
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When I look forward to seeing him recruit is when they declare free agency in Miami after the death penalty.
 
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ItsAllVols said:
The difference is now he gets to learn from CDD who was trained by the master recruiter...CNS...in 2 - 3 years CRS will be ready for the HC somewhere...

HC is mostly managing the coaches and players, but they are who you rely on to create a good team...CRS just didnt get a lot of good coaches to help him thru his learning curve...where as CDD did fairly well with who was available at the time...and build from that..
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um no
 
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Huge difference between being able to recruit at miami and then being able to recruit the same kids to tennessee. half the kids he got in florida were cane fans growing up.

the question is, can he get those same kids to want to come to tennessee?
 
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ItsAllVols said:
The difference is now he gets to learn from CDD who was trained by the master recruiter...CNS...in 2 - 3 years CRS will be ready for the HC somewhere...

HC is mostly managing the coaches and players, but they are who you rely on to create a good team...CRS just didnt get a lot of good coaches to help him thru his learning curve...where as CDD did fairly well with who was available at the time...and build from that..
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I live off Doolaid, but this post makes no sense. CRS worked under Dennis Erickson, Larry Coker, and Butch Davis. That's a pretty successful group.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
Huge difference between being able to recruit at miami and then being able to recruit the same kids to tennessee. half the kids he got in florida were cane fans growing up.

the question is, can he get those same kids to want to come to tennessee?
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Fair point but his connections would still be an asset.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
Huge difference between being able to recruit at miami and then being able to recruit the same kids to tennessee. half the kids he got in florida were cane fans growing up.

the question is, can he get those same kids to want to come to tennessee?
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Just as a recruiter, he is a step up from Wilcox.
 
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Had an idea. VolNation reality show. Would be hilarious and publicity.. Let the whole world know how badass of fans we are. But seriously
 
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