Where does Bernard King Rank?

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#27
Shaq is so funny. My friend worked at a record store on 50 in Orlando. one night they were closed and heard a knock and it was Shaq outside and he wanted the new 2 pac cd that was coming out the next day. He got on his knees and said please let me get it today please and of course they did .
 
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Very proud to say I have no NBA team and gladly change the station when anything resembling the NBA gets anywhere near the screen, or even a neighboring channel for that matter.
 
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cotton said:
My issue with that list is with who it excludes--namely, that there is not a single Kentucky player that makes your top 6. With a list that includes Mashburn, Walker, Bowie, Givens, Issel, Riley, Dampier, Nash, Ramsey, Spivy, Hagan, and Groza, and all of the championships and all-america's that came through Lexington, even I must admit that Kentucky must have had at least one of the top players in SEC history at some point.

Basil Hayden also deserves some mention because, in addition to being all-america, he has a very fine whisky named in his honor.

EDIT: Spivey, in particular, was national player of the year.
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Don't forget about king rex.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The Answer has at least played in an NBA Finals. If you want to talk about a guy who was purely about stats, try Pete Maravich. The single most overhyped athlete of the last half century.
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Just because he was white does not make him overhyped. He did not do as well in the NBA, but his records in college may never be broken. His career scoring average at LSU was about 42 points per game.
 
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allvol said:
Just because he was white does not make him overhyped. He did not do as well in the NBA, but his records in college may never be broken. His career scoring average at LSU was about 42 points per game.
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I PLAYED HIM ONE ON ONE AND THREW HIS S IN THE STANDS, HOW BOUT THAT
 
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allvol said:
Just because he was white does not make him overhyped. He did not do as well in the NBA, but his records in college may never be broken. His career scoring average at LSU was about 42 points per game.
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No, what makes him overhyped is the fact that his father, who was the greatest disgrace to basketball of all time, essentially sent his son out there to glorify the Maravich name by shooting about 1,799 times a game. The proof as to the value of Press and Pete Maravich is shown in LSU's lack of meaningful success during that period. Kevin Durant is averaging around 30 in Big 12 games. That is an accomplishment. Shooting until your heart's content, under the eye of a megalomaniacal father is an abomination to the game. Maravich was nothing but hollow, meaningless numbers. In closing, nice attempt at attempting to interject race into the discussion.
 
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hatvol96 said:
No, what makes him overhyped is the fact that his father, who was the greatest disgrace to basketball of all time, essentially sent his son out there to glorify the Maravich name by shooting a 1,799 times a game. The proof as to the value of Press and Pete Maravich is shown in LSU's lack of meaningful success during that period. Kevin Durant is averaging around 30 in Big 12 games. That is an accomplishment. Shooting until your heart's content, under the eye of a megalomaniacal father is an abomination to the game. Maravich was nothing but hollow, meaningless numbers. In closing, nice attempt at attempting to interject race into the discussion.
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1. We have a racing thread:birgits_giggle:
2. I thought Kurt Rambus was the biggest disgrace
 
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hatvol96 said:
No, what makes him overhyped is the fact that his father, who was the greatest disgrace to basketball of all time, essentially sent his son out there to glorify the Maravich name by shooting about 1,799 times a game.
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While I understand your point, and I agree with it to some extent, individual success while playing on a mediocre (or worse) team does not necessarily mean a player is overhyped. Sometimes bad teams happen to good players. For example, you could easily substitute the Houston name for Maravich in your example.
 
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cotton said:
While I understand your point, and I agree with it to some extent, individual success while playing on a mediocre (or worse) team does not necessarily mean a player is overhyped. Sometimes bad teams happen to good players. For example, you could easily substitute the Houston name for Maravich in your example.
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That's an absolutley wretched analogy. Wade Houston didn't use his kid as a circus act from the time he was 8. Wade Houston never made the game secondary to Allan's numbers. Press Maravich and player he created were both blights on basketball.
 
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Fine Vol said:
1. We have a racing thread:birgits_giggle:
2. I thought Kurt Rambus was the biggest disgrace
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At least Kurt Rambis understood the purpose of the game was to win, not put on some third rate Globetrotteresque show.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's an absolutley wretched analogy. Wade Houston didn't use his kid as a circus act from the time he was 8. Wade Houston never made the game secondary to Allan's numbers. Press Maravich and player he created were both blights on basketball.
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The analogy was simply in response to your post, not to the two men's careers. Maravich (the father) may have been exactly as you say, and Maravich (the son) may have been overhyped; they are a little before my time, and I have knowlege only through second hand history. However, the fact that he scored a lot of points for a lousy team doesn't necessarily show he was overhyped, and that is why I used the Houston example.
 
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hatvol96 said:
At least Kurt Rambis understood the purpose of the game was to win, not put on some third rate Globetrotteresque show.
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Rambis was actually a much needed solid player on a team full of superstars. His look was horrible, his game was pretty good. In a lot of ways, on the court he reminded me of Dennis Rodman. He rebounded, played defense, and banged around in the middle while the Jordans and Johnsons and Pippens were doing their more glamorous things.
 
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cotton said:
The analogy was simply in response to your post, not to the two men's careers. Maravich (the father) may have been exactly as you say, and Maravich (the son) may have been overhyped; they are a little before my time, and I have knowlege only through second hand history. However, the fact that he scored a lot of points for a lousy team doesn't necessarily show he was overhyped, and that is why I used the Houston example.
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If Maravich only received credit/hype commensurate with that heaped upon Allan Houston, I wouldn't say a word. However, I want someone to call me when the Houston biographies and biopics are coming out. Can't wait to see them.
 
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cotton said:
Rambis was actually a much needed solid player on a team full of superstars. His look was horrible, his game was pretty good. In a lot of ways, on the court he reminded me of Dennis Rodman. He rebounded, played defense, and banged around in the middle while the Jordans and Johnsons and Pippens were doing their more glamorous things.
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Every good NBA team has a player who fills that role. Robert Horry, Bill Cartwright, and Otis Thorpe come to mind as guys who have jewelry based on their ability to do the little things and stay out of the way of the superstars.
 
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hatvol96 said:
No, what makes him overhyped is the fact that his father, who was the greatest disgrace to basketball of all time, essentially sent his son out there to glorify the Maravich name by shooting about 1,799 times a game. The proof as to the value of Press and Pete Maravich is shown in LSU's lack of meaningful success during that period. Kevin Durant is averaging around 30 in Big 12 games. That is an accomplishment. Shooting until your heart's content, under the eye of a megalomaniacal father is an abomination to the game. Maravich was nothing but hollow, meaningless numbers. In closing, nice attempt at attempting to interject race into the discussion.
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Not only did Maravich score 3667 points in 83 games (44.2 avg) in college, he also had 425 assists (5.1 avg), and 528 rebounds (6.4 avg).

Maravich shined on the court and LSU slowly turned around a lackluster program. The year before he arrived, the varsity posted a 3-20 record. In Pete's senior season, LSU was 20-8 and participated in postseason play.
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In 10 NBA seasons, Maravich was a 5-time allstar with career averages of 24.2 points, 5.4 assists, and 4.2 rebounds. Pete also scored 68 points in an NBA game when he played for the Jazz.
 
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Help me here...WHAT the hell happened to Penny after he left the Magic, he had the ability to be a great.
 
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Fine Vol said:
Help me here...WHAT the hell happened to Penny after he left the Magic, he had the ability to be a great.
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I think he went to the Suns after that and did absolutely nothing. Seems like he played for the Knicks too. Hardaway used to be one of favorite players when he was with Orlando.
 
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utvol0427 said:
I think he went to the Suns after that and did absolutely nothing. Seems like he played for the Knicks too. Hardaway used to be one of favorite players when he was with Orlando.
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I got to see him play a couple times (Memphis right?) He was awsome, WAS.
 
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I think he was on the Knicks recently too, he didn't do much. They either traded him or bought out his contract, I forget which.

On a side note, everyone remember Lil Penny? Those commercials were great

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volsteelers said:
I think he was on the Knicks recently too, he didn't do much. They either traded him or bought out his contract, I forget which.

On a side note, everyone remember Lil Penny? Those commercials were great

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Lil' Penny commercials were hilarious.
 
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Fine Vol said:
Help me here...WHAT the hell happened to Penny after he left the Magic, he had the ability to be a great.
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He spent 6 seasons with the Magic, and he averaged between 15-22 points per game each year. In 2000, he went to Phoenix, scoring 17 a game before losing practically the entire '01-02 season to injury. Plagued by injuries, in three more years with the Suns, he scored between 8-16 per game before ending his career with four years in New York in which he never contributed much.
 
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allvol said:
Not only did Maravich score 3667 points in 83 games (44.2 avg) in college, he also had 425 assists (5.1 avg), and 528 rebounds (6.4 avg).



In 10 NBA seasons, Maravich was a 5-time allstar with career averages of 24.2 points, 5.4 assists, and 4.2 rebounds. Pete also scored 68 points in an NBA game when he played for the Jazz.
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Ooh, one postseason appearance. That would be one fewer than Allan Houston. Just continue your number worshipping. It is much easier than actually thinking.
 
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