Penn State scandal (merged)

[Vols520]

Read this: anyone that defends the cover up from those in the know and thinks anyone involved acted in an ethical manner is a sick bastard and needs help. Forum arguments are one thing. Downright idiocy needs to be addressed.

Do you understand my stance?
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I agree w your stance.
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[BeecherVol]

Yep, cover up, conspiracy, widespread abuse of children growing at warp speed, blackmail, murder, and the strong potential of child trafficking. All entirely possible.

Oh yeah, and Paterno was running the whole operation. LOL

It was a question. Not a statement. Are you saying that it is not possible that there is a whole lot more to this story that could be worse than what is currently known?

 

[RikidyBones]

Hypocrisy? Just because you wouldn't go to the authorities after so long of nothing happening, don't project your lack of morals onto all of us.

99.99% of America wouldn't follow up like that. Get real. Like I mentioned before, when the bystander effect is a main topic amongst criminal justice course, it's clear that this requirement for moral obligation is a little exaggerated in accordance to reality.
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[MontereyVol]

It is also messed up that if McQueary saw Sandusky raping a boy, he continued to work in an environment in which Sandusky was constantly around. McQueary had the proof of his own observation (truth); Paterno only had McQueary's report (defeasible).

Flashback?

 

[ItsDarwinism]

Hypocrisy? Just because you wouldn't go to the authorities after so long of nothing happening, don't project your lack of morals onto all of us.

How do you know that? The fact of the matter is that I dont know what I would have done if I had been in Paterno's or McQueary's situation, and if you say that you know exactly what course of action you would take then you are a delusional. Sorry, nobody knows what they would have done in those same circumstances, they only claim to know and thats what makes them a hypocrite.

 

[hmanvolfan]

Yep, cover up, conspiracy, widespread abuse of children growing at warp speed, blackmail, murder, and the strong potential of child trafficking. All entirely possible.

Oh yeah, and Paterno was running the whole operation. LOL

That's the most salient post I've read from you this whole time with the exception of the last sentence. Everything you mentioned is entirely a possibility and sources are saying that within the next 48 to 72 hours more information will come to light that makes the current allegations pale in comparison.

 

[Vols520]

I like TRUT and have people like him surround me when planning MOP's because he brings competitive viewpoints that I may or may not have considered.

Consider that when you make a statement that makes you look like some high school kid trying to impress by talking out your ass.

Bro my thoughts are all over this thread. Just calling people out.
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[therealUT]

Do you even have a clue what you are talking about?

I dont go into a murder case trying to prove the innocence of the person. I try to show why the murder was committed, how it was committed, who committed it and why they committed it.

You cannot say that you know someone is guilty but you do not have sufficient evidence to prove it; that is not how "presumption of innocence" works. Evidence should drive the outcome; the outcome should not drive the evidence.

Once you say "I know this person is guilty" and then you go to start collecting evidence to prove it, you have erred and committed an egregious injustice.

 

[ItsDarwinism]

That's the most salient post I've read from you this whole time with the exception of the last sentence. Everything you mentioned is entirely a possibility and sources are saying that within the next 48 to 72 hours more information will come to light that makes the current allegations pale in comparison.

And I believe every word of it, the last line was an edit in just to piss everybody off. haha

 

[tvolsfan]

99.99% of America wouldn't follow up like that. Get real. Like I mentioned before, when the bystander effect is a main topic amongst criminal justice course, it's clear that this requirement for moral obligation is a little exaggerated in accordance to reality.
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You can't really believe that.

 

[CountVolcula]

Cops lie on stand all the time. Sure you're no different.
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You're a fool

 

[allvol123]

It is also messed up that if McQueary saw Sandusky raping a boy, he continued to work in an environment in which Sandusky was constantly around. McQueary had the proof of his own observation (truth); Paterno only had McQueary's report (defeasible).

Apparently McQueary just fully bought into the PSU way.

 

[Spartacavolus]

99.99% of America wouldn't follow up like that. Get real. Like I mentioned before, when the bystander effect is a main topic amongst criminal justice course, it's clear that this requirement for moral obligation is a little exaggerated in accordance to reality.
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99% of people would tell their boss about a child being sodomized and raped and move on?
Add more to the absurdity on here.
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[therealUT]

You mean with a stripper? So you r comparing kids and strippers now, great.

Somehow raping a stripper is not as bad in your book?

 

[RikidyBones]

You cannot say that you know someone is guilty but you do not have sufficient evidence to prove it; that is not how "presumption of innocence" works. Evidence should drive the outcome; the outcome should not drive the evidence.

Once you say "I know this person is guilty" and then you go to start collecting evidence to prove it, you have erred and committed an egregious injustice.

Criminal law 101.
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[Oldvol75]

How do you know that? The fact of the matter is that I dont know what I would have done if I had been in Paterno's or McQueary's situation, and if you say that you know exactly what course of action you would take then you are a delusional. Sorry, nobody knows what they would have done in those same circumstances, they only claim to know and thats what makes them a hypocrite.

What a different world you live in if you don't know what you'd do! Sad !
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[Vols520]

You're a fool

Take it back!
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[RikidyBones]

99% of people would tell their boss about a child being sodomized and raped and move on?
Add more to the absurdity on here.
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Tell their boss based off of someone else and not one's own witness? Yes. If Joe Pa witnessed it then I share your thoughts. But he didn't. Absurdity is wreaking from you with an expectation of a nonwitness to make sure something happens to a person who he never actually saw do anything.
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[hmanvolfan]

I bet a lot of these guys flipped out on the duke lacrosse coach too.
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You credibility is dropping like a cannon ball thrown into the ocean. From the outset the Duke lacrosse deal was ridiculous. You're comparing a hooker trying to get paid via extortion to child rape?

 

[tvolsfan]

Tell their boss based off of someone else and not one's own witness? Yes. If Joe Pa witnessed it then I share your thoughts. But he didn't. Absurdity is wreaking from you with an expectation of a nonwitness to make sure something happens to a person who he never actually saw do anything.
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If I was Paterno I would have told the kid to call the police right there.

 

[CountVolcula]

You cannot say that you know someone is guilty but you do not have sufficient evidence to prove it; that is not how "presumption of innocence" works. Evidence should drive the outcome; the outcome should not drive the evidence.

Once you say "I know this person is guilty" and then you go to start collecting evidence to prove it, you have erred and committed an egregious injustice.

You are better off acting like you can do my job, rather than doing my job.

 

[BeecherVol]

How do you know that? The fact of the matter is that I dont know what I would have done if I had been in Paterno's or McQueary's situation, and if you say that you know exactly what course of action you would take then you are a delusional. Sorry, nobody knows what they would have done in those same circumstances, they only claim to know and thats what makes them a hypocrite.

Are you married?
Any kids?

Trying to grasps your thoughts a little better.

 

[allvol123]

:good!:

Tell their boss based off of someone else and not one's own witness? Yes. If Joe Pa witnessed it then I share your thoughts. But he didn't. Absurdity is wreaking from you with an expectation of a nonwitness to make sure something happens to a person who he never actually saw do anything.
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Ok, so choose not to believe McQ. So you then promote someone you consider a nut job to a full time position. Sure. Makes sense.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Somehow raping a stripper is not as bad in your book?

It's not in mine. Raping a child, specifically a young boy by a mentor, is extra sick. Rape is sick. Child molestation ups the sickness level quite a bit. You're blind if you can't see that.
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[therealUT]

Case studies regarding eye-witnesses of rapes and murders have demonstrated that many a surprising percentage of individuals neither step in to help nor report all type of heinous acts.

I would not be surprised by individuals not following up after reporting crimes.