Penn State scandal (merged)

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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not for lynching him. I'm for PSU immediately ending his figurehead status.

When he says stuff like "I wish I had done more," what does that mean to you?
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Yes. Hindsight was mentioned. Hindsight is me wishing I ordered a burger rather than a tough chicken sammich.
Hindsight isn't wishing you had reported a child molester when notified. That's regret that all this has come out and destroyed a bunch of people, not hindsight.
 
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Vols520 said:
Didn't mean u as a lynch mob. It means to me that now that he is pretty clear that the dude is a psycho he wishes he could go back in time and kill him and protect the kids
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Please answer my question. Paterno allowed the man to continue working around kids for years knowing full well what he had done. How is that okay with you?
 
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Vols520 said:
Didn't mean u as a lynch mob. It means to me that now that he is pretty clear that the dude is a psycho he wishes he could go back in time and kill him and protect the kids
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You do understand that Paterno testified under oath that he was aware of the allegation, correct? It's not like he's just now being hit with this out of the blue. He wishes he could go back and do something different because it reflects bad on his reputation now that he's been exposed for sitting on his ass and doing nothing. If he'd been worried about the kids, he'd have done something when he was told about it nearly a decade ago.
 
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Vols520 said:
Didn't mean u as a lynch mob. It means to me that now that he is pretty clear that the dude is a psycho he wishes he could go back in time and kill him and protect the kids
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How in the hell do you propose that he avoided thinking the guy was a psycho from the first reports, which clearly started well over a decade ago?
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Please answer my question. JoePa knew Sandusky was doing it but allowed him to continue to coach and be around kids. Are you okay with that?
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I don't think joe pa 'knew it'. If he did its unacceptable. The dude is denying charges so who knows what was said before. Paterno def trusted the guy for too lonf
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Vols520 said:
I don't think joe pa 'knew it'. If he did its unacceptable. The dude is denying charges so who knows what was said before. Paterno def trusted the guy for too lonf
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His testimony says he knew it. That's the damning piece in this whole ordeal. This isn't hearsay any more.
 
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LawVol13 said:
They didn't even go that far. They said just don't bring anymore kids anymore. He was working out at the facility last week.
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Ok I misunderstood. I thought he hasn't been around the program since 2002. Now its clearing up in my head.
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LawVol13 said:
You do understand that Paterno testified under oath that he was aware of the allegation, correct? It's not like he's just now being hit with this out of the blue. He wishes he could go back and do something different because it reflects bad on his reputation now that he's been exposed for sitting on his ass and doing nothing. If he'd been worried about the kids, he'd have done something when he was told about it nearly a decade ago.
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I don't think any kids have been raped since the grand jury stuff so the dude was permitted to be around kids. Charges were just filed last week.

I got called by cops a month ago about a friend accused of rape. I was honest told my side of what I saw happen and waited to see the outcome before I decided to say f u to my buddy. Charges weren't brought cuz they were baseless. Point is accusations are accusations.
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Every time ESPN shows the timeline of events, I shake my head. The fact that this guy was anywhere near PSUs campus after 94' is astounding.
 
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Vols520 said:
I don't think any kids have been raped since the grand jury stuff so the dude was permitted to be around kids. Charges were just filed last week.

I got called by cops a month ago about a friend accused of rape. I was honest told my side of what I saw happen and waited to see the outcome before I decided to say f u to my buddy. Charges weren't brought cuz they were baseless. Point is accusations are accusations.
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this would hold true if there wasn't already a substantial vapor trail, but there was, so it holds no water. Any of them pretending they had no idea is lying, period.
 
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Vols520 said:
I don't think any kids have been raped since the grand jury stuff so the dude was permitted to be around kids. Charges were just filed last week.

I got called by cops a month ago about a friend accused of rape. I was honest told my side of what I saw happen and waited to see the outcome before I decided to say f u to my buddy. Charges weren't brought cuz they were baseless. Point is accusations are accusations.
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So, let me get this straight. You have an allegation from a coach that you hired saying an ex coach is banging kids in the shower. Said coach has nothing to gain for just making that up out of thin air. And, your response would be just to sit on it for a decade and see what eventually comes out? Yea, that worked well. He only raped 6 or 8 more kids after that.
 
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Vols520 said:
I don't think any kids have been raped since the grand jury stuff so the dude was permitted to be around kids. Charges were just filed last week.

I got called by cops a month ago about a friend accused of rape. I was honest told my side of what I saw happen and waited to see the outcome before I decided to say f u to my buddy. Charges weren't brought cuz they were baseless. Point is accusations are accusations.
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Was your friend charged with 40 counts?
 
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LawVol13 said:
So, let me get this straight. You have an allegation from a coach that you hired saying an ex coach is banging kids in the shower. Said coach has nothing to gain for just making that up out of thin air. And, your response would be just to sit on it for a decade and see what eventually comes out? Yea, that worked well. He only raped 6 or 8 more kids after that.
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Worst part about that is.... That number is probably way too low. There is no telling how many it actually is.
 
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here is what I thinks:

I don't think Paterno knew dude was this serial child molester. The GA, two janitors and others who witnessed the crimes are the most to blame.

Paterno definitely didn't follow up enough, but we will never really knew what he did or didn't know. If he in fact did know the scope, then he is going to have to live with that. I think Paterno put too much faith in a guy he trusted for many years, and it's burning him now.

The two penn state guys who stepped down, they clearly fialed in there responsibilities to supervise.

Remember he had never been 'charged' with a crime unti this weekend. I am sure Joe Pa believed the guy was incorrectly accused before he saw the report.

Paternos statement was fine for me, nobody was ever going to be happy with what he said.


It's a terrible situation, but I think anger towards paterno is expected, but a little much.
 
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The graduate assistant (28 years old) went to his office and called his father, reporting to him what he had seen. His father told the graduate assistant to leave the building and come to his home. The graduate assistant and his father decided that the graduate assistant had to promptly report what he had seen to Coach Joe Paterno, head football coach of Penn State. The next morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home where he reported what he had seen.

Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate supererior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

Approximately one and a half weeks later, the graduate assistant was called to a meeting with Penn State Athletic Director Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The graduate assistant reported to Curley and Shultz that he had witnessed what he believed to be Sandusky having anal sex with a boy in the Lasch Building showers. Curley and Shultz assured the graduate assistant that they would look into it and determine what further action they would take. Paterno was not present for this meeting.

The graduate assistant heard back from Curley a couple of weeks later. He was told that Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and that the incident had been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant was never questioned by University Police and no other entity conducted an investigation until he testified in Grand Jury in December, 2010.
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Curley testified that he informed Dr. Jack Raykovitz, Executive Director of the Second Mile of the conduct reported to him and met with Sandusky to advise Sandusky that he was prohibited from bringing youth onto the Penn State campus from that point forward. Curley testified that he met again with the graduate assistant and advised him that Sandusky had been directed not to use Penn State's facilities with young people and "the information" had been given to the director of The Second Mile. Curley testified that he also advised Penn State University President Graham Spanier of the information he had received from the graduate assistant and the steps he had taken as a result. Curley was not specific about the language he used in reporting the 2002 incident to Spanier. Spanier testified to his approval of the approach taken by Curley. Curley did not report the incident to the University Police, the police agency for the University Park campus or any other police agency.

Schultz testified that he was called to a meeting with Joe Paterno and Tim Curley, in which Paterno reported "disturbing" and "inappropriate" conduct in the shower by Sandusky upon a young boy, as reported to him by a student or graduate student. Schultz was present in a subsequent meeting with Curley when the graduate assistant reported the incident in the shower involving Sandusky and a boy.
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Although Schultz oversaw the University Police as part of his position, he never reported the 2002 incident to the University Police or other police agency, never sought or reviewed a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002.
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Sandusky holds emeritus status with Penn State. In addition to the regular privileges of a professor emeritus, he had an office and a telephone in the Lasch Building. The status allowed him access to all recreational facilities, a parking pass for a vehicle, access to a Penn State account for the internet, listing in the faculty directory, faculty discounts at the bookstore and educational privileges for himself and eligible dependents. These and other privileges were negotiated when Sandusky retired in 1999. Sandusky continued to use University facilities as per his retirement agreement.
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This is all from the Grand Jury.
 
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