Penn State scandal (merged)

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GatorBill said:
right. Legally he is covered. Morally he covered up.


On a somewhat more surreal note: apparently the Westboro Church nutjobs will be picketing the PSU game this weekend.

(my apologies to any of you who might be a WC nutjob, I mean no disrespect. . . . :) )
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Read what you just typed. If he participated in a coverup of child rape, he's criminally liable.
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#802
#802
hog88 said:
What I got from Joe Pa's statement is that HE decided to retire and is asking the board to let him stay until the end of the season.

The board needs to end this today and can his a$$ along with the president to save any face. They cannot let him be on the sideline Saturday.
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yep and yep
 
#803
#803
I noted in the Grand Jury indictment that when the High School Principal found out that Sandusky had touched a kid inappropriately, they immediately notified the police and would not allow him back on campus. This was after he had been a voluntary assistant coach for several years. They also told the 2nd Mile Charity (which contradicts 2nd Mile's statement from yesterday). Point is, if the high school administrators did the right thing, why didn't the university?
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
Why?

They were all covering up for a friend. McQuery is enemy 1a, everyone else is 1b (excluding Sandusky, obviously). They are all spineless and morally corrupt.
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CountVolcula said:
I know of no contract that would prohibit a person from reporting a crime to the police.

For one thing, that contract would be illegal in itself, especially since it is mandated by State Law to report the crime.

Two, if there was such a clause, Penn State would be subjecting themselves to so much civil liability, that they probably would go bankrupt from all the lawsuits
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LawVol13 said:
You can't be contractually obligated to cover up serious felonies. That contract would be void on its face and against public policy.
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That was per some prosecutor I saw last night on AC360, who specializes in cases like this -- there are clauses written into many, many contracts like this for just such a case where somebody witnesses some sort of assault, whether or not it be sexual in nature or against men, women or children.

I won't judge Paterno because he 1) didn't commit the acts himself, 2) didn't physically witness what had happened and 3) ostensibly followed the rules provided for such a situation. And mostly, I won't judge him because I, nor any of you, know the details of the situation.

At the end of the day, all this venom at JoePa is just speculation. He needed to step down, and maybe he could have done something more, but we just don't know.
 
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YorkVol said:
I noted in the Grand Jury indictment that when the High School Principal found out that Sandusky had touched a kid inappropriately, they immediately notified the police and would not allow him back on campus. This was after he had been a voluntary assistant coach for several years. They also told the 2nd Mile Charity (which contradicts 2nd Mile's statement from yesterday). Point is, if the high school administrators did the right thing, why didn't the university?
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They know they aren't untouchable, Penn State thought they were.
 
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milohimself said:
That was per some prosecutor I saw last night on AC360, who specializes in cases like this -- there are clauses written into many, many contracts like this for just such a case where somebody witnesses some sort of assault, whether or not it be sexual in nature or against men, women or children.

I won't judge Paterno because he 1) didn't commit the acts himself, 2) didn't physically witness what had happened and 3) ostensibly followed the rules provided for such a situation. And mostly, I won't judge him because I, nor any of you, know the details of the situation.

At the end of the day, all this venom at JoePa is just speculation. He needed to step down, and maybe he could have done something more, but we just don't know.
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If you want to excuse Paterno for not reporting to police, fine. I don't know how you can defend Paterno continuing to let him use the football facilities.
 
#807
#807
milohimself said:
That was per some prosecutor I saw last night on AC360, who specializes in cases like this -- there are clauses written into many, many contracts like this for just such a case where somebody witnesses some sort of assault, whether or not it be sexual in nature or against men, women or children.

I won't judge Paterno because he 1) didn't commit the acts himself, 2) didn't physically witness what had happened and 3) ostensibly followed the rules provided for such a situation. And mostly, I won't judge him because I, nor any of you, know the details of the situation.

At the end of the day, all this venom at JoePa is just speculation. He needed to step down, and maybe he could have done something more, but we just don't know.
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I don't care what the prosecutor says. If you're in a contract that says, "you can't notify the police when you witness kids getting ass raped in the shower," I'd like to see what kind of court would uphold that. What are they going to do to him? Fine him or fire him for calling the police? Come on. There might be a difference if he was under something keeping him from going to the media about it. But, there's no way a contract is going to stand that doesn't allow someone to notify police of serious felonies.
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LawVol13 said:
Read what you just typed. If he participated in a coverup of child rape, he's criminally liable.
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Then I should rephrase that and say he Turtled Up.

I cant read deep enough into this to figure out if he was actually part of the cover up, or if he was just ignorant of the coverup that was being done.

It is possible that he reported and then felt that those he reported to were doing their jobs.

And then, I would assume that he was just a big too senile to understand that the guy had never been punished.

screw it, this is all to sick for me to even try to comprehend.
 
#811
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knucklehead_vol said:
According to everyone, the old bastard ran the university, all the sudden he doesn't? The reason he didn't and the rest was to preserve a legacy, a selfish act that led to so much more that could have been STOPPED if the the GA or the old bastard would have followed up. And the old bastard let him have keys and and access to the campus as late as last week. That's the reson I am pissed. They are all to blame, and I agree with Drunk that the GA is 1A. that poor kid thought he may get some help from the GA in the bathroom. Still can't believe it. This is a huge cover up
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He didn't run the university, and contrary to what everyone has been saying, JoePa does have a chain of command above him.

DrunkJohnny said:
How the hell could McQuery stand silent watching this creep using the locker rooms for nearly a decade after what he witnessed? Jesus.
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I can't believe the number of people that have come out and said "If I were in that situation, I would have done ......."

Really? Are you gonna sit there and lecture the rest of us on what exactly to do when you walk in a child being molested or worse? Like you know for a fact you'd have the wherewithal while witnessing something like that?

Any of you lynch mob types: You're idiots.
 
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rmsmith said:
He didn't cover up anything. He reported it to who he was supposed to.
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And sat and watched the same guy who his GA saw ass raping a ten year old boy continue to come and go as he pleased and allowed him to rape more kids. What a standup guy.
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milohimself said:
Any of you lynch mob types: You're idiots.
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If you can't say that you, with 100% certainty, would call the cops if you saw a prepubescent child being anally raped, I don't know what to tell you bro. I'm just going to assume you don't have children. I hope to god you don't.
 
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LawVol13 said:
And sat and watched the same guy who his GA saw ass raping a ten year old boy continue to come and go as he pleased and allowed him to rape more kids. What a standup guy.
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This is true, he SHOULD have done more. But he didn't HAVE to.
 
#816
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milohimself said:
He didn't run the university, and contrary to what everyone has been saying, JoePa does have a chain of command above him.


I can't believe the number of people that have come out and said "If I were in that situation, I would have done ......."

Really? Are you gonna sit there and lecture the rest of us on what exactly to do when you walk in a child being molested or worse? Like you know for a fact you'd have the wherewithal while witnessing something like that?

Any of you lynch mob types: You're idiots.
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I think I can say with complete confidence that if I saw someone ass raping a young boy that I wouldn't wait a decade to testify about it. Also, I'd probably attempt to kill the guy when I caught him.
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rmsmith said:
This is true, he SHOULD have done more. But he didn't HAVE to.
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Sure he did. He was complicit in this crime. He knew what was going on, and continued to let him use the facility to rape kids. Yes, he met the reporting requirement, but continuing to allow him to use the facility wreaks of a coverup and criminal liability for all involved.
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#818
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LawVol13 said:
I think I can say with complete confidence that if I saw someone ass raping a young boy that I wouldn't wait a decade to testify about it. Also, I'd probably attempt to kill the guy when I caught him.
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Ehh i don't think i'm going to prison for a kid I do not know. I'd stop it. and report it to the police, but kill the guy so i can sit in prison? No thanks.
 
#819
#819
Bottom line: When the GA told Paterno, he thought Sandusky would be stopped. Instead, the university with Paterno's cooperation, let him stay in Emeritus status and gave him his full pension. A retired Emeritus professor gets an office, parking spot, tickets to games, computer access, discounts at the book store, etc. plus the generous pension. The only thing he didn't have to do was work for his living. This was punishment for raping and molesting kids?
 
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milohimself said:
That was per some prosecutor I saw last night on AC360, who specializes in cases like this -- there are clauses written into many, many contracts like this for just such a case where somebody witnesses some sort of assault, whether or not it be sexual in nature or against men, women or children.

I won't judge Paterno because he 1) didn't commit the acts himself, 2) didn't physically witness what had happened and 3) ostensibly followed the rules provided for such a situation. And mostly, I won't judge him because I, nor any of you, know the details of the situation.

At the end of the day, all this venom at JoePa is just speculation. He needed to step down, and maybe he could have done something more, but we just don't know.
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We may not know the details of the 2002 incident, but what is not speculation is that Sandusky had already had similar charges that Paterno knew about. He still did nothing to prevent Sandusky from being at the facilities AFTER testifying to the Grand Jury.

He had plenty of oppurtunity to prevent Sandusky from hurting another child and did nothing. I absolutely will judge him for that.
 
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#821
LawVol13 said:
Sure he did. He was complicit in this crime. He knew what was going on, and continued to let him use the facility to rape kids. Yes, he met the reporting requirement, but continuing to allow him to use the facility wreaks of a coverup and criminal liability for all involved.
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He didn't know for sure, he was told by someone that he saw this happen. I can tell someone anything, it doesn't make it true.
 
#822
#822
DrunkJohnny said:
If you want to excuse Paterno for not reporting to police, fine. I don't know how you can defend Paterno continuing to let him use the football facilities.
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You're right, you don't know. None of us do. He did the right thing in stepping down, and the guilty parties are going to be prosecuted.

LawVol13 said:
I don't care what the prosecutor says. If you're in a contract that says, "you can't notify the police when you witness kids getting ass raped in the shower," I'd like to see what kind of court would uphold that. What are they going to do to him? Fine him or fire him for calling the police? Come on. There might be a difference if he was under something keeping him from going to the media about it. But, there's no way a contract is going to stand that doesn't allow someone to notify police of serious felonies.
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Yeah, they have clauses that specific in contracts.

There are a lot of people going all moral soap box and acting like a bunch of Nancy Graces.

The people who even look like they might be culpable are gone, most of them being prosecuted and that's that.

The tragedy is unbelievable. Sandusky is a sick SOB, and I wish prisons would let people like him out among the general population. But for the rest of it, as much as we'd like to find someone to blame, that can't always be done. It got reported up the tree to the AD, and he sat on it. He's going to be tried, so we'll find out why.
 
#824
#824
rmsmith said:
Ehh i don't think i'm going to prison for a kid I do not know. I'd stop it. and report it to the police, but kill the guy so i can sit in prison? No thanks.
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Somehow, I think if you beat a guy to death who was raping a kid that a jury might side with you. Also, you'd be considered a hero not a criminal.
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