Starters That Kiffin Recruited

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#152
VKAman said:
Again...do you seriously think that Hunter was going to LSU the entire time Kiffin was here, and then Dooley flipped him in 5 days right before NSD? Really?
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To say that Hunter is not a Dooley recruit is to say that Dooley had nothing to do with Hunter commiting and signing here therefore believing that if left completely alone by our current staff Hunter would have still decommitted from LSU and signed with us...

Do you honestly believe that?

Because if you don't then by default you believe that Dooley is the reason Hunter ultimately signed here...therefore making him a Dooley recruit
 
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#155
VegasVol said:
If you love Bray that much, tell me where his stats will rank amongst SEC QBs this year.
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Who says I love Bray? It's just extremely obvious that he's better than B.J. to anyone that's actually watched football.

If you love Coleman that much, tell me how many BCS schools recruited him when he left.
 
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crusse10 said:
How much less could you care?
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A lot. I wouldn't mind if somebody's momma recruited the person. I just want to win games. People spend so much time debating who is the better recruiter or complaining about the press talking badly about us or not mentioning us at all. All of these conversations that don't amount to a turd will all be resolved if we just win games.
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mtowntim said:
I believe you may be making assumptions.

Hunters high school coach said

“With the little bit of time he’s been able to establish with (coach Dooley),” Scott said, “he felt a little more comfortable and more trusting with this guy than the other Tennessee staff.

“His family also felt better with the decision.
I just hope it’s the right decision.”

This is a fact.

Hunter could have just as easily gone to Florida had Dooley not pulled him in.(IMO)
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But he didn't want to go to Florida. That's what I'm trying to say. He wanted to come to Tennessee. He had wanted to be a Vol for at least a month.
 
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#160
thunder5 said:
To say that Hunter is not a Dooley recruit is to say that Dooley had nothing to do with Hunter commiting and signing here therefore believing that if left completely alone by our current staff Hunter would have still decommitted from LSU and signed with us...

Do you honestly believe that?

Because if you don't then by default you believe that Dooley is the reason Hunter ultimately signed here...therefore making him a Dooley recruit
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Their conversation was basically, "Still coming? Yep? Great, let's tell everyone." Give Dooley credit for that if you want, but the sequence of events would have been the same for literally any coach we hired as long as he wasn't an obvious complete buffoon.
 
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VKAman said:
Who says I love Bray? It's just extremely obvious that he's better than B.J. to anyone that's actually watched football.

If you love Coleman that much, tell me how many BCS schools recruited him when he left.
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"Extremely obvious," eh? Coleman decided to go home or to a lower-level program to play right away, which is what QBs often do, including draft picks like Flacco & Bomar. So, if you're right, he won't get drafted or sign an NFL contract, right?
 
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VKAman said:
Their conversation was basically, "Still coming? Yep? Great, let's tell everyone." Give Dooley credit for that if you want, but the sequence of events would have been the same for literally any coach we hired as long as he wasn't an obvious complete buffoon.
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It ended with that, but I'd say they talked for about 20 minutes to give Hunter the chance to feel him out.
 
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#166
glhal2814 said:
You are basically right, but technically attending class didn't matter. What mattered was being on campus as an enrolled student on midnight the day classes started. When that happened, they were subject to the NCAA tranfer rules.

Hamilton covered it in his press conference the day after Kiffin left. Orgeron and every one else, including the press, misunderstood the rule.

That's also why the DE driving into Tennessee that Corey Miller played with, whose name escapes me, wasn't affected even though he was enrolled. He had never made it on campus and just drove to North Carolina instead.
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Here is actual rule from the NCAA rule book at the time:

NCAA Rulebook: 14.5.2 Conditions Affecting Transfer Status said:
A transfer student is an individual who transfers from a collegiate institution after having met any one of the following conditions at that institution:

(a) The student was officially registered and enrolled in a minimum, full-time program of studies in any quarter or semester of an academic year, as certified by the registrar or admissions office, provided the student was present at the institution on the opening day of classes;

(b) The student attended a class or classes in any quarter or semester in which the student was enrolled in a minimum full-time program of studies, even if the enrollment was on a provisional basis and the student was later determined by the institution not to be admissible;
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Everyone was thinking about part B of the rule, which requires attending a class. B is written to cover a guy trying to get in, who the university later rescinds admission to. Those players still are affected by tranfer rules. This prevents a player with questionable academics from being able to shop themselves around when a player with good academics can't.

Part a is what matters. As you can see, what matters is being at the institution the day classes open. It doesn't mention anything about actually attending class. In the legal world, unless designated otherwise, a day begins at 12:01 AM.
 
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#167
VegasVol said:
"Extremely obvious," eh? Coleman decided to go home or to a lower-level program to play right away, which is what QBs often do, including draft picks like Flacco & Bomar. So, if you're right, he won't get drafted or sign an NFL contract, right?
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Are you saying Coleman is better than Bray?
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#168
#168
VKAman said:
Their conversation was basically, "Still coming? Yep? Great, let's tell everyone." Give Dooley credit for that if you want, but the sequence of events would have been the same for literally any coach we hired as long as he wasn't an obvious complete buffoon.
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Speaking of buffoons, remind me who's the only coach in America this decade to have back-to-back 5-loss-or-worse seasons with 10 or more NFL players on his roster?

Hint: he currently coaches at a program in southern California and couldn't win with NFL players on his NFL roster either.
 
#169
#169
VegasVol said:
"Extremely obvious," eh? Coleman decided to go home or to a lower-level program to play right away, which is what QBs often do, including draft picks like Flacco & Bomar. So, if you're right, he won't get drafted or sign an NFL contract, right?
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So let me get this straight...if Coleman is a worthless 7th round draft pick, he's better than Bray? Because Bray won't get drafted or anything, right?

And OBTW, Bomar didn't have a choice considering that he was kicked off of Oklahoma's team. He didn't "decide to leave" for playing time.
 
#170
#170
VegasVol said:
"Extremely obvious," eh? Coleman decided to go home or to a lower-level program to play right away, which is what QBs often do, including draft picks like Flacco & Bomar. So, if you're right, he won't get drafted or sign an NFL contract, right?
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Colt Brennan got a contract. Jared Zabransky got a contract. It could happen. Will he play in an NFL stadium in a regular season game? no.
 
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#171
As far as the OP goes, Kiffin recruited some good players so has Dooley. What is the point? We will need them all this year.
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#172
theutvolunteers said:
Are you saying Coleman is better than Bray?
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I'm saying I would prefer to have Coleman starting this year rather than Bray; I would rather Bray be a back-up redshirt freshman right now, planning to start in 2012.

I have my doubts about Bray's readiness right now to compete in the SEC against good SEC teams.
 
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VegasVol said:
I'm saying I would prefer to have Coleman starting this year rather than Bray; I would rather Bray be a back-up redshirt freshman right now, planning to start in 2012.

I have my doubts about Bray's readiness right now to compete in the SEC against good SEC teams.
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Dude, no.
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crusse10 said:
It ended with that, but I'd say they talked for about 20 minutes to give Hunter the chance to feel him out.
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Of course; I was summarizing, but as long as our coach wasn't weird enough to turn him away from the program in those 20 minutes, he was always coming here.
 
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