2006 Vols in 2005...

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kptvol

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How do you all think this year's Vols would have done playing last year's schedule? Honestly, I think the record might be pretty similar.

Losses to:
Florida, LSU, Georgia, Notre Dame, possibly Bama and/or Vandy.

I think this year's team would be probably be 6-5 last year, or maybe 7-4. I don't thiknk the improvements is as drastic as previously believed.

What does everyone else think?
 
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I don't think the improvement is as great as first thought either. I give Cutcliffe credit, this year's team was able to line up and get a play off without calling a timeout or getting a delay of game. But beyond the order he provided, don't really see this offense as that potent. Not going to blame Chavis for the D so much, this was as untalented a D line as I have ever seen at UT.
 
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tvolsfan said:
During the season, we would beat this years ND team, not last years.
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I'm talking about 2006 Vols versus 2005 teams. I know that's impossible, but I just want to see how much better than 5-6 you guys think we really are.
 
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As bad as the 5-6 season was, unbelievably we were in every single one of those games into the 4th quarter. I think our QB play alone from this year would have kept the offense on the field enough to win 8. No way we would have lost to Vandy and SC . . . and the Georgia and Florida games would have been interesting last year if we could have gotten anything out of the offense at all (much less field a punt). The obvious question is whether we'd have enough defense for it to matter.

I guess what I'm saying is that while the improvement from last year might not be as much as some think . . . We really weren't that far from pulling out a couple of games in 2005 in the first place.

It's an interesting hypothetical though.
 
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As bad as the 5-6 season was, unbelieably we were in every single one of those games into the 4th quarter. As good as that defense was in 2005, I think our QB play alone from this year would have kept the offense on the field enough to win at least 8.
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Yup.
 
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GAVol said:
As bad as the 5-6 season was, unbelieably we were in every single one of those games into the 4th quarter. As good as that defense was in 2005, I think our QB play alone from this year would have kept the offense on the field enough to win at least 8. No way we would have lost to Vandy and SC . . . and the Georgia and Florida games would have been interesting if we could have gotten anything out of the offense at all (much less field a punt).

It's an interesting hypothetical though.
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But we would also be paying the our 2006 defense against the 2005 opponents offense. I think QB's like Vandy's Cutler and Bama's Croyle would have shredded 206's pathetic defense. The results would have been the same just higher scoring games.
 
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GAVol said:
As bad as the 5-6 season was, unbelievably we were in every single one of those games into the 4th quarter. I think our QB play alone from this year would have kept the offense on the field enough to win 8. No way we would have lost to Vandy and SC . . . and the Georgia and Florida games would have been interesting last year if we could have gotten anything out of the offense at all (much less field a punt). The obvious question is whether we'd have enough defense for it to matter.

I guess what I'm saying is that while the improvement from last year might not be as much as some think . . . We really weren't that far from pulling out a couple of games in 2005 in the first place.

It's an interesting hypothetical though.
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The reason we were in most of those games was because of our stellar defense. The 2006 Vols didn't have that feature. Yes, if 2006 Ainge and WR crew were on the 2005, the Vols would be ferocious. Unfortunately, they weren't. We blew the opportunity to have a tremendous year. I put that on the coaching staff. All the talent was clearly together, the coaches didn't have them ready to perform.
 
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....which is why I edited my response when I realized I had somewhat misread the question.
 
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rockydoc said:
But we would also be paying the our 2006 defense against the 2005 opponents offense. I think QB's like Vandy's Cutler and Bama's Croyle would have shredded 206's pathetic defense. The results would have been the same just higher scoring games.
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Maybe so, but I still find it very hard to believe that this year's team wouldn't have at least won those close ones against SC and Vandy.
 
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GAVol said:
Maybe so, but I still find it very hard to believe that this year's team wouldn't have at least won those close ones against SC and Vandy.
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They would win at least one of those, but I think the lack of defense would result in a loss against LSU. So, that's not improving the record that much. Of course that's just my opinion.
 
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kptvol said:
They would win at least one of those, but I think the lack of defense would result in a loss against LSU. So, that's not improving the record that much. Of course that's just my opinion.
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I think you're probably right about LSU although that game is almost impossible to judge due to the circumstances with Katrina and the coaching change.
 
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kptvol said:
How do you all think this year's Vols would have done playing last year's schedule? Honestly, I think the record might be pretty similar.

Losses to:
Florida, LSU, Georgia, Notre Dame, possibly Bama and/or Vandy.

I think this year's team would be probably be 6-5 last year, or maybe 7-4. I don't thiknk the improvements is as drastic as previously believed.

What does everyone else think?
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i think you may be tha most negative person that i have ever met....and a son of a #$%% at that.
 
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thagodfather said:
i think you may be tha most negative person that i have ever met....and a son of a #$%% at that.
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I not only implied that 2006 Vols might not be as good as some think, but that the 2005 Vols weren't as bad as some thought. That's not all that negative. In defense of the 2005 Vols, I think they played a tougher schedule.
 
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kptvol said:
I not only implied that 2006 Vols might not be as good as some think, but that the 2005 Vols weren't as bad as some thought. That's not all that negative. In defense of the 2005 Vols, I think they played a tougher schedule.
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okay...i'm sorry:peace2:
 
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GAVol said:
As bad as the 5-6 season was, unbelievably we were in every single one of those games into the 4th quarter. I think our QB play alone from this year would have kept the offense on the field enough to win 8. No way we would have lost to Vandy and SC . . . and the Georgia and Florida games would have been interesting last year if we could have gotten anything out of the offense at all (much less field a punt). The obvious question is whether we'd have enough defense for it to matter.

I guess what I'm saying is that while the improvement from last year might not be as much as some think . . . We really weren't that far from pulling out a couple of games in 2005 in the first place.

It's an interesting hypothetical though.
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give me the defense we had in 05 and the offense we had in 06, i think we'd of had a pretty good year.

add the improvements(?) in Special teams this year, that alone could have saved us a couple of games in 05.

you look back at how we lost most of those games in 05.......i don't really recall any games that i thought the other team was just flat out better. we killed ourselves in just about each one. reducing dropped balls alone could have changed some games in 05.

so, yeah, give me the defense in 05 with the offense and ST in 06, i'd show you a pretty darn good football team.
 
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What would be even more interesting is to pit the 2005 and 2006 Vols against one another and find out who was better. It may be a draw.:p
 
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I've thought about this a good bit -- the comparisons.

This year's weaknesses:
1. Shoddy Interior OL play
2. DL and pass rush
3. LB depth
4. CB play and SS

Last year's team fills all of those voids and then some:
1. Cody Douglas + Rob Smith = much improved
2. Mahelona, Harrell, Mcbride, etc = #2 against the run nationally
3. Simon and Gaither + others = solid LB core
4. Inky at CB + Jason Allen = much better DBs
5. Add Chris Hannon to talented WR core

So...all of the holes we have this year were supremely plugged with last year's team.

CONCLUSION: Last year's coaching job may be one of the ten worst in history of college football. The 2005 was NOT overrated from a talent standpoint. If this year's team can go 9-4 with injuries and hand in there against some good teams, last year's unit appears to have had national champtionship talent. Coaching being equal, last year's team would beat this year's team by 2 TDs easy.
 
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Combine this season's offense and last season's defense, we're probably 11-1 or 10-2 in the regular season in 2006.
 
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