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#28
#28
VOLinthaATL said:
How about when Brady Quinn threw no TD's against Goergia Tech and Notre Dame's defense actually pulled them thru that game? Or when Quinn threw 3 PICKs against Michigan and was BENCHED at the end of the game? I don't wanna hear about their schedule being tougher because that is weighted heavily on the USC, Michigan, and a little because of the UCLA win over USC that win helps them too. Picking apart the service academies is like picking apart high school teams so those games should carry no weight. And a Standard team that won exactly ZERO games. Without JEff S. Quinn is again Mediocre against UCLA.


Colt Brennan, while he had a great year statistics wise, he doesn't even belong in the same league with these guys.

Who else is more deserving than Smith? Please don't say Quinn, I want another name.
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You knock the service schools but Quinn and ND destroyed AF, where we struggled with them.
 
#29
#29
VOLinthaATL said:
Oh yea, and I forgot to throw in a 2-9 North Carolina team who gave up 45 pointsto 0-12 Duke.
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And Quinn went 23/35 for 346 yards with 4 TD's and 0 INT's against UNC...

as where Smith went 13/23 for 108 yards with 0 TD's and 1 INT against Illinois.


Honestly though, if you want to compare the two QB's.. you have to compare performances vs. like opponents: PSU, MSU, and UM. The results? Quinn 2, Smith 1.


I am not lobbying for Quinn to be crowned king of the world, but you have to give credit where it is due. We can't sit here and be completely bias and discriminate against a good player b/c we can't stand their team. I've faced the facts, and I won't deny them. Quinn is better.
 
#30
#30
utchatt said:
You knock the service schools but Quinn and ND destroyed AF, where we struggled with them.
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I agree but it wasn't cause of our offense, being at that game we went up and down the field at will.

Also, this was about the first team AA between Quinn and Smith, there was no mention about our team.

Not sure why you brought that up.
 
#31
#31
[/QUOTE]I am not lobbying for Quinn to be crowned king of the world, but you have to give credit where it is due. We can't sit here and be completely bias and discriminate against a good player b/c we can't stand their team. I've faced the facts, and I won't deny them. Quinn is better.[/QUOTE]

If Quinn is so much better, tell me his record in bowl games?
 
#32
#32
Quinn is 0-3 in bowl games. Do you realize that FOOTBALL TEAMS play in bowl games and not just QB's? Just b/c Quinn is on a worse team (with a bunch of 2 and 3 start talent left over from Willingham) doesn't make him a worse player. Wins and Losses can not be pegged squarely on the shoulders of the QB. If the rest of the Irish played like Quinn did against USC, Notre Dame would've won... but that's the problem: Notre Dame has some mediocre players. Smith is surrounded by incredible talent, and that is why OSU is playing in the NC game. A team with one exceptional player will NEVER win a big game against a team full of excellent players b/c football is a team game... and a complete team effort is required for a team to win. Quinn didn't give up 41 points to USC... or 34 to OSU. Quinn didn't drop passes or blow coverage or miss tackles. That's the thing... if you don't have a supporting cast around you, you won't win big games.
 
#33
#33
VOLinthaATL said:
I agree but it wasn't cause of our offense, being at that game we went up and down the field at will.

Also, this was about the first team AA between Quinn and Smith, there was no mention about our team.

Not sure why you brought that up.
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You were knoscking the strentgh of ND's schedule and I was pointing out some of those teams are better than the credit you give them.
 
#34
#34
I am not lobbying for Quinn to be crowned king of the world, but you have to give credit where it is due. We can't sit here and be completely bias and discriminate against a good player b/c we can't stand their team. I've faced the facts, and I won't deny them. Quinn is better.[/QUOTE]

If Quinn is so much better, tell me his record in bowl games?[/QUOTE]
You are just gabbing for anything aren't you? Next you will bring up the fact that Troy Smith's Pee-Wee football team beat Quinn's Pee-Wee football team for the Ohio State Championship.
 
#35
#35
utchatt said:
You knock the service schools but Quinn and ND destroyed AF, where we struggled with them.
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I dare say Ainge and the UT offense had just as much if not more success against Air Force as Notre Dame did. It'd be pretty difficult to score everytime you touch the ball except for once, which ended up bringing the game closer.
 
#36
#36
tidwell said:
I dare say Ainge and the UT offense had just as much if not more success against Air Force as Notre Dame did. It'd be pretty difficult to score everytime you touch the ball except for once, which ended up bringing the game closer.
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Taken completley out of context. I am saying AF is better than he was giving them credit
 
#37
#37
I took in the context of you saying Quinn and ND didn't struggle against AF whereas Ainge did.
 
#38
#38
tidwell said:
I dare say Ainge and the UT offense had just as much if not more success against Air Force as Notre Dame did. It'd be pretty difficult to score everytime you touch the ball except for once, which ended up bringing the game closer.
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out of context, i agree.... but here are the numbers:

YPPass: UT (11.5) to ND (10.9)

YPCarry: UT (2.5) to ND (6.5)


there you have it...


but yeah, utchatt, you are right. he was underestimating USAFA... thats the bottom line
 
#39
#39
Well as most on here can probably tell I am not big on individual awards for team sports. Most are popularity contests! My exception would be MLBs batting titles. They are earned, I am sure there are others but most rely on teamates in one form or another.
 
#40
#40
crimedawg12 said:
Well as most on here can probably tell I am not big on individual awards for team sports. Most are popularity contests! My exception would be MLBs batting titles. They are earned, I am sure there are others but most rely on teamates in one form or another.
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Good point.I agree.That said, my only deal was Michigan had 3 first teamers while the entire SEC only had 4.The SEC has several top ranked teams as well.It's not like we don't have great players in this league.
 
#41
#41
woodley and hall are the real deal....

i do not agree w/ mike hart on the AA list. he's good... just not the best
 
#43
#43
utchatt said:
I am not lobbying for Quinn to be crowned king of the world, but you have to give credit where it is due. We can't sit here and be completely bias and discriminate against a good player b/c we can't stand their team. I've faced the facts, and I won't deny them. Quinn is better.
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If Quinn is so much better, tell me his record in bowl games?[/QUOTE]
You are just gabbing for anything aren't you? Next you will bring up the fact that Troy Smith's Pee-Wee football team beat Quinn's Pee-Wee football team for the Ohio State Championship.[/QUOTE]

First off buddy, I wasn't posting to get a reaction from anyone, I was simply stating how I felt.

We are all Tennessee fans I assume, I was just giving my 2 cents about how I feel the Troy Smith deserves every honor he has recieved. Perhaps, bringing in a little debate as well. I am not trying to talk down anyone or say their opinion doesn't matter in anyway. I, in fact think Brady Quinn is a fine quarterback and prolly with a better team around him, (better defense)would have won the heisman and been 1st team AA. I was just stating some things for a little debate. Was not trying to cause an uproar especially from someone who wasn't in me and the other guys discussion about Quinn and Smith.
 
#44
#44
I think they both have certain strong points, and they are both talented but if I started a pro team I would rather have Brady.
 
#48
#48
finevol said:
we made them look gold
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I'll agree with that as well, however we made their OFFENSE look good.

I don't think we punted once in the whole game and if Ainge doesn't throw a stupid late pick when we were already up 31-17 and we were down on about thier 15 we win the game going away.
 
#49
#49
VOLinthaATL said:
I'll agree with that as well, however we made their OFFENSE look good.

I don't think we punted once in the whole game and if Ainge doesn't throw a stupid late pick when we were already up 31-17 and we were down on about thier 15 we win the game going away.
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If and buts were candy and nuts...
 
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