Libya: Apparently, not a real war...

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therealUT said:
The 60-Day deadline was up on Friday. Without Congressional Authority, our continued strikes in Libya are now wholly unConstitutional, and President Obama's argument is, at best, weak.
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The War Powers Act of 1973 is more of a guideline/suggestion than an actual rule. :)
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Seems I remember him ranting against Bush's overuse of E-power.

Oh well, move along - nothing to see.

I love how the comment is "if you want to endorse it that'd be great but it doesn't really matter"
 
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volinbham said:
Seems I remember him ranting against Bush's overuse of E-power.

Oh well, move along - nothing to see.

I love how the comment is "if you want to endorse it that'd be great but it doesn't really matter"
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He's just going retro, a la Andrew Jackson re: Supreme Court.
 
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Libya is still in stalemate. Al Jazeera claims to have video of western troops on the ground (small numbers) though the UK is denying it. Some are calling for bombing infrastructure in Tripoli.

This thing is so far from the UN resolution it's getting ridiculous.

Leading from behind is going well...
 
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Speaking of Libya, Mr. McCain has something to say..Sneering at the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution, Senator John McCain (R. Ariz.) bugled last week, "No president has ever recognized the constitutionality of the War Powers Act, and neither do I. So I don't feel bound by any [60 day] deadline" to obtain congressional authorization to continue hostilities against Libya ordained by the Act. Bruce Fein: McCain Dethrones the Rule of Law
 
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So the president can send armed forces any where he/she wants for military action as long as he/she wants, McCain?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Obama basically thumbed his nose at congress.
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It really is and isn't shocking how blatantly he is doing exactly what he complained about as a senator. Likewise shocking and not how his supporters are giving him a pass.
 
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There are U.S. ground forces in Libya presently?
 
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If that's the case, then I support Boehner's ban. Air raids are one thing....

I can't find any information that confirms the presence of ground troops though
 
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SWIL said:
If that's the case, then I support Boehner's ban. Air raids are one thing....

I can't find any information that confirms the presence of ground troops though
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Boehner's just another grandstanding Clown politician, not unlike the guy sending our troops there without consent.
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SWIL said:
We're at war with Libya? Explain.
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This article has some interesting points regarding what a war is WRT the War Powers Resolution

RealClearPolitics - Libya: A War Fit for a King


The War Powers Resolution does not contain a giant, honking exception for such activities. In fact, the authors seemed to have Libya in mind when they said the rules apply anytime American forces venture "into the territory, airspace, or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat."

It doesn't matter if our pilots are up there firing missiles or looking for topless beaches: If they are in combat aircraft over another country, the law applies.
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BigPapaVol said:
Obama basically thumbed his nose at congress.
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At least he had a stupid UN resolution, Clinton didn't
even have that in Bosnia.

There are more than a few similarities between Bosnia
and Libya.

The Other Crimes of Bosnia: Don’t Forget About The Jihad

Al-Qaeda members who are known to have fought
in Bosnia include 9/11 “mastermind” Khalid Sheikh
Muhammad and 9/11 hijackers Khalid Al-Mihdhar
and Nawaf Al-Hazmi. Another famous veteran of
the Bosnian war is the jihadist filmmaker and reputed
financier of the 2002 Bali bombings, Reda Seyam.
(On Seyam and the Bali bombings, see my article
in Policy Review here.)

Seyam brought his German wife, Regina Kreis, with
him to Bosnia. In her memoir Mundtot, Kreis describes
watching her husband film the summary executions of
Serb prisoners: including one who was decapitated
and another who was shot to death by a firing squad
of mujahideen wives. (The memoir appeared under
the pseudonym “Doris Glück.”) According to Kreis’s
testimony, the German-based 9/11 facilitator Ramzi
Binalshibh was also present in Bosnia during the war.

Two western journalists – Der Spiegel’s Renate Flottau
and the late Eve-Ann Prentice of the Times of London
– claim to have witnessed Osama bin Laden himself
showing up for a meeting with Izetbegovic at the
latter’s Sarajevo office in November 1994. For a
transcript of Prentice attempting to testify on the
matter before the ICTY – and being immediately cut
off by the judges – see here. (Go to transcript page
47949.)

The story of Al-Qaeda’s involvement in the
Bosnian war is particularly relevant today in
light of the fact that virtually the exact same
scenario is currently playing itself out in Libya
at a greatly accelerated pace.

Now as then, America and NATO have intervened
in a civil war in the name of protecting civilians and
found themselves making common cause with
Al-Qaeda-linked mujahideen.

Now as then, America’s de facto allies are not only
committing horrific atrocities, they are filming them
to boot.

Now as then, despite the evidence, those atrocities
have gone almost entirely ignored by the western
media. Now as then, the atrocities in question bear
the distinctive mark of jihad.

(On Al-Qaeda and the Libyan rebellion, see my earlier
articles here and here. On rebel atrocities in Libya,
see my earlier articles here and here.)
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I honestly cannot think of how it is that the administration just keeps ignoring the absence of a clear description of what we are doing there. Obviously, it is to topple Q. But can't say that because its just pure targeting. I guess they can get away with it because as long as there's no US boots on the ground (other than intelligence) and as long as there are no repercussions to either US military to US security, this can just go on until Q quits or gets killed.

Don't like the precedent it sets (or follows up on, depending on your point of view).
 
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