'11 GA S Brian Randolph

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Agreed. Like I state earlier in the thread, Randolph will see the field more than any other incoming DB, besides the JUCO DBs (Moore and Lanier). That is JMO. I know Coleman received much praise during Spring Practice and I think he will be a contributor next year, but I like Randolph's skill set much better. I just feel he is the better player. Also I believe we aren't as deep at safety as we are at cornerback. So that should help Randolph see the field early and often.
 
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flowd82 said:
Agreed. Like I state earlier in the thread, Randolph will see the field more than any other incoming DB, besides the JUCO DBs (Moore and Lanier). That is JMO. I know Coleman received much praise during Spring Practice and I think he will be a contributor next year, but I like Randolph's skill set much better. I just feel he is the better player. Also I believe we aren't as deep at safety as we are at cornerback. So that should help Randolph see the field early and often.
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I was very impressed with Coleman. Hes already a better player then Eric Gordon IMO. Safety may have depth if Loften makes it in and Janzen stays on the team. If Randolph is better than Coleman our secondary will be in good shape for a while.
 
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hdrizzle21 said:
I was very impressed with Coleman. Hes already a better player then Eric Gordon IMO. Safety may have depth if Loften makes it in and Janzen stays on the team. If Randolph is better than Coleman our secondary will be in good shape for a while.
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Don't let the folks here you say that someone is better than Gordon. He fizzled out with me last season. I can see him transferring after this year. Just better players coming in. IMO
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hdrizzle21 said:
I was very impressed with Coleman. Hes already a better player then Eric Gordon IMO. Safety may have depth if Loften makes it in and Janzen stays on the team. If Randolph is better than Coleman our secondary will be in good shape for a while.
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The Breakerboy said:
Don't let the folks here you say that someone is better than Gordon. He fizzled out with me last season. I can see him transferring after this year. Just better players coming in. IMO
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I think our secondary is in good shape for awhile regardless. Janzen will make it back. I'm very confident of that. Not so confident about Loften.

I think this incoming freshmen DB haul and the incoming JUCO DB haul is one the most deep and talented in the country. They will vastly improve our secondary because of all the quality depth they will provide (something that was non-existent last year).

In a perfect world. J.J. and Brewer at the FS and SS spots. Randolph coming off the bench for some depth as well as PWagg and even Moore in some situations.

Moore and Teague/PWagg at the CB spots. I haven't decided yet between the 2nd CB spot. Both have strengths and weaknesses in their game. I love Waggs big-play ability, but it hurts to see him whiff so much on tackles. Can't stand that. I feel like Teague will be very improved this year. He looked impressive in the one Spring Practice I watched. Then at the 3rd CB/Nickel Back either the loser between the 2nd CB battle and Lanier. Coleman, Lanier, and Gordon will all get some time.

The only incoming DBs that I don't think will get serious PT would be Martin and Orta. I could be proven wrong though. It is just we are getting pretty strong depth wise and not all the freshmen DBs can play. I always viewed Orta and to a lesser degree Martin as recruits that would take a little longer to get used to the college game.
 
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flowd82 said:
I think our secondary is in good shape for awhile regardless. Janzen will make it back. I'm very confident of that. Not so confident about Loften.

I think this incoming freshmen DB haul and the incoming JUCO DB haul is one the most deep and talented in the country. They will vastly improve our secondary because of all the quality depth they will provide (something that was non-existent last year).

In a perfect world. J.J. and Brewer at the FS and SS spots. Randolph coming off the bench for some depth as well as PWagg and even Moore in some situations.

Moore and Teague/PWagg at the CB spots. I haven't decided yet between the 2nd CB spot. Both have strengths and weaknesses in their game. I love Waggs big-play ability, but it hurts to see him whiff so much on tackles. Can't stand that. I feel like Teague will be very improved this year. He looked impressive in the one Spring Practice I watched. Then at the 3rd CB/Nickel Back either the loser between the 2nd CB battle and Lanier. Coleman, Lanier, and Gordon will all get some time.

The only incoming DBs that I don't think will get serious PT would be Martin and Orta. I could be proven wrong though. It is just we are getting pretty strong depth wise and not all the freshmen DBs can play. I always viewed Orta and to a lesser degree Martin as recruits that would take a little longer to get used to the college game.
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Gordon won't get any time when the others get here. Coleman, Teague, Waggner, and even Art Evans all had better springs. Moore, Lanier, and Randolph will take all of his time. This staff will put our best DBs on the field. Gordon won't be one of them. I expect him to open up one of the schollie spots after the season. I also think Coleman will be the nickel at the least.
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The Breakerboy said:
Gordon won't get any time when the others get here. Coleman, Teague, Waggner, and even Art Evans all had better springs. Moore, Lanier, and Randolph will take all of his time. This staff will put our best DBs on the field. Gordon won't be one of them. I expect him to open up one of the schollie spots after the season. I also think Coleman will be the nickel at the least.
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Agreed on all except A.Evans.

I would have Moore, Teague, Waggner, and possibly even Lanier ahead of Coleman. Defintely the first 3 though. Luckily Wilcox plays many defensive formations so many DBs will get their chance.
 
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If Janzen is back he will join Brewer at S.
B Moore and Lanier will be corner.

P waggner will be the nickel.

Freshman that are not redshirting would be guys who show they can contribute on ST right away. Randolph may be in that group with Coleman.

Teague and Evans etc are not SEC CBs.

To quote Kelly Clarkson
You had your chance you blew it.
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kptvol said:
I don't see both Moore and Lanier beating out Teague.
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It will be interesting to see what happens at CB between Moore, Lanier, Teague and Pwagg...I think they will all play a lot as well as Coleman.

I think Gordon and Evans are the odd men out.
 
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kptvol said:
I don't see both Moore and Lanier beating out Teague.
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Me either. And they won't. Moore will start, but I don't see Lanier beating out Teague or even PWagg for that matter. It is likely he can beat out Gordon and Evans, but I'm not seeing the others.
 
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flowd82 said:
Me either. And they won't. Moore will start, but I don't see Lanier beating out Teague or even PWagg for that matter. It is likely he can beat out Gordon and Evans, but I'm not seeing the others.
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Lanier will be a ball player for us. You'll see how good he is. From what I've been hearing he was a ballplayer in HS. They are telling me if he plays like he can he'll start at CB for us. Coleman will improve more than any of the others and I can see him being our nickel back this season. Teague and Waggner have a lot of work this offseason. There is finally some athletes coming to the CB spots. I think Teague has the most potential out of the holdovers.
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flowd82 said:
It is likely he can beat out Gordon and Evans, but I'm not seeing the others.
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I don't know that it's even all that likely. He's got a year of experience starting in JUCO. They've been starters in the SEC. Auburn basically passed on him this year so I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion he's worlds better than some of these guys we have.
 
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Some of you just do not believe the truth. Terry Joseph needed jucos because our CBs were straight up bad. Teague switched so he had the best excuse.

Brewer was coming off years of no football but he was better.

It seems people give too much credence to starting. If the sullins twins were eligible for another year next year at ut they would not see the field.

We would start a stud OLB as a freshman for certain. Same is true of our RB spot. We will either find KR and PR guys or not...if not then we will still be looking for them and ready to start true freshmen.
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I don't see anyone claiming the corners were some strength of the team or anything. However, it'll be a smashing success if one of these JUCO guys comes in and is able to start and play well right away. Borderline unheard of that we'd get two such guys at the same position in the same class.
 
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kptvol said:
I don't know that it's even all that likely. He's got a year of experience starting in JUCO. They've been starters in the SEC. Auburn basically passed on him this year so I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion he's worlds better than some of these guys we have.
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You're crazy if you don't think every JUCO player is going to be better than guys with SEC experience the second they step on campus. These guys have insane highlight tapes against a mix of D1 guys and D2 scrubs.
 
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Chavis nice hyperbole.

Go ahead and believe Lanier will not start. We can revisit this in 6 months. I will admit if I was wrong. You will pretend you weren't.
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kptvol said:
I don't know that it's even all that likely. He's got a year of experience starting in JUCO. They've been starters in the SEC. Auburn basically passed on him this year so I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion he's worlds better than some of these guys we have.
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So tell me something. Against any of the top competition out there what players were making plays? Janzen and Brewer showed flashes the more he played. Teague, Gordon, and Waggner did absolutely nothing in the big games.

Someone said the juco guys highlights are against scrubs, so who were Waggner and Gordon's highlights against? Scrubs if you ask me. I personally think Coleman will be the nickel guy with Moore and Lanier as our starters. Teague may improve but we'll see this fall. Waggner will be a great fill in player but not a starter. IMO
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Bottom line is this:
- Lanier, Coleman, Teague, Evans, Gordon, and Waggner will all be fighting for the 4th starting spot in the secondary and the nickel position (assuming Jackson returns, Brewer continues to improve, and Moore is as good as his film has led us to believe he is).

- Best case scenario: someone emerges from that group as a stud and is on the level of our other three starters. Result: secondary is immediately much improved.

- Worst case scenario: Coleman and Lanier aren't any better than the guys we had last year and none of those 6 is ever on the level of the first 3 guys. Result: we've added some solid depth and experience to last year's secondary; improvements on the DL also help out the secondary.

- Most likely scenario: the competition between those 6 players is extremely intense and they all make each other better as they fight for playing time. Result: our 4th and 5th DBs might be a little weak at the beginning of the season, but by mid-season we've found a solid rotation and the secondary gels together well.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Chavis nice hyperbole.

Go ahead and believe Lanier will not start. We can revisit this in 6 months. I will admit if I was wrong. You will pretend you weren't.
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Since I have a long history of doing that. When you're right as much as I am, I guess it can seem that way

I also never said he wouldn't FWIW, I'm just not ready to pencil both in as day one starters IMO IYAM.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Chavis nice hyperbole.

Go ahead and believe Lanier will not start. We can revisit this in 6 months. I will admit if I was wrong. You will pretend you weren't.
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I figure you'll probably just disappear for a few months.
 
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sammyjoey said:
Bottom line is this:
- Lanier, Coleman, Teague, Evans, Gordon, and Waggner will all be fighting for the 4th starting spot in the secondary and the nickel position (assuming Jackson returns, Brewer continues to improve, and Moore is as good as his film has led us to believe he is).

- Best case scenario: someone emerges from that group as a stud and is on the level of our other three starters. Result: secondary is immediately much improved.

- Worst case scenario: Coleman and Lanier aren't any better than the guys we had last year and none of those 6 is ever on the level of the first 3 guys. Result: we've added some solid depth and experience to last year's secondary; improvements on the DL also help out the secondary.

- Most likely scenario: the competition between those 6 players is extremely intense and they all make each other better as they fight for playing time. Result: our 4th and 5th DBs might be a little weak at the beginning of the season, but by mid-season we've found a solid rotation and the secondary gels together well.
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Good analysis. :hi:
 
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