(8) Pacers vs. (1) Bulls

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nbakerld said:
Yeah, cause teams that shoot poorly are destined for greatness.
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Teams that shoot poorly can win. Players that shoot low % are not necessarily poor shooters. This silliness about Rose's inability to shoot it makes no sense. He's asked to take all of their short clock tough shots and often has to create them. The luxury Otha if someone draw defenses and shooting relatively open shots isn't one he has.

Kobe is easily one of the best jump shooters the league has had, certainly as a big scorer.
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#128
#128
BigPapaVol said:
Teams that shoot poorly can win. Players that shoot low % are not necessarily poor shooters. This silliness about Rose's inability to shoot it makes no sense. He's asked to take all of their short clock tough shots and often has to create them. The luxury Otha if someone draw defenses and shooting relatively open shots isn't one he has.

Kobe is easily one of the best jump shooters the league has had, certainly as a big scorer.
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Then maybe he should pass the ball more to his teammates who have that luxury.

He doesn't take all of their short clock shots and if he does, my question is why in God's name is he holding onto the ball for 24 seconds?

Kobe has a sweet looking stroke, but it's not about how you put it in the bucket, it's about how efficiently you do it. Lebron, Howard, and Wade get as much attention as anybody and they've never had a problem problem putting the ball in the hoop efficiently.
 
#129
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nbakerld said:
Then maybe he should pass the ball more to his teammates who have that luxury.

He doesn't take all of their short clock shots and if he does, my question is why in God's name is he holding onto the ball for 24 seconds?

Kobe has a sweet looking stroke, but it's not about how you put it in the bucket, it's about how efficiently you do it. Lebron, Howard, and Wade get as much attention as anybody and they've never had a problem problem putting the ball in the hoop efficiently.
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Again silliness.

Chicago has very limited offensive options. Post play is a non offensive player and an undersized PF who needs to be fed.

Kobe is a dramatically better shooter than Wade, and absurdly better than James. Don't let stats about how people are officiated get in the vacuum filter you have rolling, regardless.
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So since Rose is 8/16 from the floor, 3/7 from three point range, and 6/7 from the stripe, that statistically makes him a good shooter, right?

Oh, and a 3:1 A/T ratio
 
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lylsmorr said:
So since Rose is 8/16 from the floor, 3/7 from three point range, and 6/7 from the stripe, that statistically makes him a good shooter, right?
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You there, with the Belushi mask, you need to just shut your mouth. He is awful.

/discussion
 
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lylsmorr said:
So since Rose is 8/16 from the floor, 3/7 from three point range, and 6/7 from the stripe, that statistically makes him a good shooter, right?
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I know the question wasn't for me, but the answer to your question is yes. Just make sure his name is spelled correctly on the MVP trophy.
 
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nbakerld said:
Rose is very good, don't get me wrong, but he's been terrible in the playoffs. There are better PG's, but even an average PG with average performances would have led to the Bulls sweeping the Pacers. Rose is a very good PG who is playing HORRIBLY right now.
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I think we can agree that CJ Watson is an average to good point guard. They would have lost had Watson been playing over Rose. Look at the +/- of the first four games.

Watson -> +2, -3, -6 and -3.

Rose -> +3, +11, +6, -2
 
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#138
Congrats Bulls. You finally beat a team with a losing record by double digits.

P.s. Noah is a scumbag. Sucks that fellow Vol/Bull fans are cheering for Florida and Memphis trash.
 
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And mods, feel free to merge this with the Pacers or Bulls thread now that it's in the books. :)
 
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milohimself said:
Still blows my mind that Luol Deng is as good as he is, yet nobody talks about him.
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Equally mind blowing...

I went to a 2A High School in Iowa. We're talking 9th-12th and 300 kids or so, 80 per class.

Became friends with this kid from England who played on their youth national basketball team(15 years old or so) with Deng. He lived in Chicago for a bit and tore apart the 2A league in Iowa. Weird that one goes to Duke and the pros and the other goes to small school, middle of nowhere Iowa.
 
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iuvol2012 said:
I saw a lot of quit in the Pacers tonight. Very disappointed in their effort.
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It happens. They were so close in the first 4 when they were suppose to get smashed.

Plus, they got hammered a lot down low and the refs wouldn't call anything in their favor. Forced them to shoot jump shots.

I'm just glad they got a taste of the playoffs. They didn't deserve it record wise. Only Granger and Foster had experienced. At least they go to see what it's all about and gave it their best shot. They are better off now than they would have been sitting at home watching it. At 37-45, lucky to even be there.
 
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lylsmorr said:
I think we can agree that CJ Watson is an average to good point guard. They would have lost had Watson been playing over Rose. Look at the +/- of the first four games.

Watson -> +2, -3, -6 and -3.

Rose -> +3, +11, +6, -2
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We can't agree, actually. As much as it pains me to say this about the one Vol in the pros, but CJ Watson is terrible and does more harm than good on average. Per 36 minutes he shoots 13 times, which is way too many considering he shot 37% for the season. Strangely, he shot 39% from 3 pt (an abysmal 36% from 2 pt). If the dude just stopped shooting so much and stuck with nailing the open 3 he'd be really productive. He's a good ballhandler.

+/- isn't a very useful stat (there is an advanced one that is more interesting). Rose will tend to be in the game with the starting 5 and Watson tends to be in the game with backups, so the +/- stat can be misleading.
 
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lylsmorr said:
So since Rose is 8/16 from the floor, 3/7 from three point range, and 6/7 from the stripe, that statistically makes him a good shooter, right?

Oh, and a 3:1 A/T ratio
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Yes, for the evening he shot well. That's like shooting 11 for 19.5, well above 50%. He had a great game tonight, only turned the ball over twice. He had a very good season, and is a very good player, just nowhere near MVP. Top 25 player.
 
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nbakerld said:
+/- isn't a very useful stat (there is an advanced one that is more interesting). Rose will tend to be in the game with the starting 5 and Watson tends to be in the game with backups, so the +/- stat can be misleading.
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Hockey line changes?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Again silliness.

Chicago has very limited offensive options. Post play is a non offensive player and an undersized PF who needs to be fed.

Kobe is a dramatically better shooter than Wade, and absurdly better than James. Don't let stats about how people are officiated get in the vacuum filter you have rolling, regardless.
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Wait what? You are saying the officials are responsible for Wade and Lebron outshooting Kobe?

Even with Kobe getting every call, and having Gasol, Bynum, and Odom to distract the defense, Lebron on the Cavs dramatically outshoots Kobe.

You are being fooled by how sweet Kobe's stroke looks. It's all about how often it goes in the hoop. Think Reggie Miller. Lebron has outshot Kobe from 3 pt for 2 straight seasons, and that's not even what makes Lebron an efficient scorer.
 
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nbakerld said:
Yes, for the evening he shot well. That's like shooting 11 for 19.5, well above 50%. He had a great game tonight, only turned the ball over twice. He had a very good season, and is a very good player, just nowhere near MVP. Top 25 player.
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#1 player this season. And to say plus/minus is useless is pretty funny when you were throwing out shooting percentages. They win when he is on the floor. Pretty telling stat.

Hey, Ray Allen shot 57% from the field this year. He should be the MVP. Or Darrell Arthur, 63% from the floor. Or Marc Gasol, 57% also. All MVP like numbers.
 
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