Tennessee not an Attractive Job(article)

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Vercingetorix said:
I like Dooley, but our football coach ought to get down on his knees every morning and thank God that the timing of Kiffin leaving was so bad that we had no choice but to pluck him and his losing record out of Outhouse, Louisiana and enrich him beyond belief.

If this is seriously a constraint on hiring a basketball coach while our football coach has a career losing record, then we should just let the girls take over all of Pratt Pavilion, shut down the men's team entirely, and take up men's soccer instead.
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Agreed on both counts.
 
#53
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jp1 said:
Enough already. Its over and done!
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It has to be addressed. Some people are unwilling to look at glaring faults Pearl had. He did a lot for Tennessee, and the next coach may not be that great, but Pearl is in no way irreplaceable.
 
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#54
The premise of this article is idiotic. Have they never been in TBA, on this campus, examined Tennessee's athletic budget, looked at the SEC and on and on?

Tennessee is now heavily invested in its basketball program and an expectation of winning has now been instilled in a very loyal fan base. I would think that most people with knowledge of this program in 2011 fully expect the hire of a top rated coach and, yes, the school will spend the money to make the hire.

Perhaps the thin air up in the CBS atmosphere is causing problems with their reasoning. Or perhaps staring down that snooty nose at this "little provincial" program has obscured the writer's vision.

What should be said is that Bruce Pearl awakened a sleeping giant. Tennessee has its basketball attendance among the highest in the country, they have expectations of winning at the highest levels and they have the money to do whatever they wish. Watch out other BCS schools there's a mighty significant predator on the prowl for a great coach.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It has to be addressed. Some people are unwilling to look at glaring faults Pearl had. He did a lot for Tennessee, and the next coach may not be that great, but Pearl is in no way irreplaceable.
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We're headed into a rough couple of years with a new coach. It's important that Tennessee fans understand that, at least initially, the previous coach bears most of the responsibility for the state of the roster. Just like in football.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
We're headed into a rough couple of years with a new coach. It's important that Tennessee fans understand that, at least initially, the previous coach bears most of the responsibility for the state of the roster. Just like in football.
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Agreed, but many won't. I have no doubt that we will hear a lot of comments like "Bruce got us into the NCAA tourney each of his 6 years and this guy didn't get us in his 1st year. We made a huge mistake in getting rid of Pearl!"
 
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tvolsfan said:
It has to be addressed. Some people are unwilling to look at glaring faults Pearl had. He did a lot for Tennessee, and the next coach may not be that great, but Pearl is in no way irreplaceable.
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Whatever. Just dont be the dummy that knocks his coaching ability. His record refutes everything you say. With no recruiting and no development then how is it possible to win?
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
So what is the exact number of puppies you were kicking in your yard before you posted that?

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I know... I keep trying to be optimistic, but man it seems like we keep getting crapped on as fans of UT recently. Some guys think Jesus will be our next coach and I am just trying to temper that a little. VFL though. Hope we do get a great coach.
 
#59
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jp1 said:
Whatever. Just dont be the dummy that knocks his coaching ability. His record refutes everything you say. With no recruiting and no development then how is it possible to win?
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He got some good productivity out of some players, but he failed with his best NBA prospects.
 
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I'm new here to the Knoxville area from a certain border state west of TN. And, to be honest, I am a Razorback fan first (with UT being a very close #2, and we all hate Alabama and Florida). However, anybody who says UT is not an attractive job is a moron. Facilities, quality of life, hotbeds of recruiting in the overall region, generous boosters, fan base, etc., etc.

Are there problems in the short term? Of course... Is anything permanent? Absolutely not. Pearl may have made some unwise moves, but the program is significantly better off thanks to him and will help in the recruitment of his replacement.

There were even a few Hog fans wondering whether we should hire Pearl; but look for Mike Anderson to lock that down very very soon.

Just my humble view as a newcomer...
 
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tvolsfan said:
He got some good productivity out of some players, but he failed with his best NBA prospects.
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So how does one get "nba prospects" without being able to recruit? You cant have it both ways. Its a waste of time to argue this back and forth. As i said earlier its over and done.
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jp1 said:
So how does one get "nba prospects" without being able to recruit? You cant have it both ways.
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He's either a bad evaluator of top talent or poor at developing top talent. I think you could argue both.
 
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tvolsfan said:
He's either a bad evaluator of top talent or poor at developing top talent. I think you could argue both.
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Geez...and who is your example of this? Scotty? Name another?
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There is no reason we can't hire a top coach. Pearl proved that we can be a national player in basketball and be very successful. With the right coach, we should continue with the success Pearl had. It may be tough next year, but we can quickly return to our winning ways with one very good recruiting class.
 
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jp1 said:
Geez...and who is your example of this? Scotty? Name another?
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Tyler Smith, who Pearl didn't really recruit to Tennessee.

So it's pretty obvious he didn't have the NBA prospects flowing in.

Now what happened with our all star practice squad of 4 star players?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Tyler Smith, who Pearl didn't really recruit to Tennessee.

So it's pretty obvious he didn't have the NBA prospects flowing in.

Now what happened with our all star practice squad of 4 star players?
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So how do you suppose he won then? He had crap talent and couldnt develop that crap talent according to you. So whats the story? The man lied,committed infractions, evidently cheated on his wife...etc etc...use all of the above if that makes you happy but do not argue against the mans coaching ability like it appears that you are doing because he simply won a majority of the games he coached. Im done with this argument...i hope tennessee gets a good replacement that cant recruit or develop talent if they win like the last 6 years.
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SpringBokVol said:
And then you have your Men's BB coach making more than your Football Head Coach.

That can't and won't happen.
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That depends on the circumstances.

If one of the nation's top men's basketball coaches came to UT to replace Pearl, he should, and would, make more than Derek Dooley.

Coaches are paid commensurate with their track record of success, along with the revenue potential of the sport they coach. Derek Dooley is a promising young coach and probably improved his standing in 2010, but he's not done anything to suggest he should be UT's highest-paid coach regardless of circumstance.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Other than football brings in much more money to the athletic dept. than basketball ever will.
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The football program will bring in more money than basketball regardless of who the coach is. If we always pay the football coach more, just because he coaches football, than at some point we will either overpay the football coach or undercut the basketball program.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I agree. But it will take more than that to get a high profile coach IMO.

And then you have your Men's BB coach making more than your Football Head Coach.

That can't and won't happen.
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So we're required to aim low in basketball because we hired someone unproven in football?
 
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Exactly, the coaches need to be paid their market value. The salaries shouldn't be compared.
 
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ukvols said:
The football program will bring in more money than basketball regardless of who the coach is. If we always pay the football coach more, just because he coaches football, than at some point we will either overpay the football coach or undercut the basketball program.
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Yes. It would be idiocy to use Derek Dooley's salary as the upper boundary for what we're willing to pay a basketball coach. I like him, but he has no record of success.
 
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jp1 said:
So how do you suppose he won then? He had crap talent and couldnt develop that crap talent according to you. So whats the story? The man lied,committed infractions, evidently cheated on his wife...etc etc...use all of the above if that makes you happy but do not argue against the mans coaching ability like it appears that you are doing because he simply won a majority of the games he coached. Im done with this argument...i hope tennessee gets a good replacement that cant recruit or develop talent if they win like the last 6 years.
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What exactly did he win? I can't stand how people act as if Tennessee has been hammering everybody during Pearl's tenure. He had a conference title and a nice run in the tournament which was helped by the schedule. Pearl got a lot of good play out of a lot of the players, but his track record with the most talented players is nothing special. If Tennessee has any hope of winning the conference going forward, that would need to change.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Pearl got a lot of good play out of a lot of the players, but his track record with the most talented players is nothing special.
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This is true. Pearl squeezed every drop out of some collections of average talent. This led everyone to think that "when he gets the talent here, we're gonna dominate!!!"

Two problems happened.

First, he didn't really ever manage to collect much talent. Lots of noise in recruiting, but mediocre actual recruiting results.

Second, what talent he did get here seemed to be harder for him to work with than the scrubs were.

We'll never know whether it was an aberration or a trend...
 
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