Tennessee not an Attractive Job(article)

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MTSUDaff said:
Disagree with everything in this article except for the obvious part about potential NCAA sanctions.

1. Who cares what Tennessee basketball was before Pearl got here? Pearl showed the country that you CAN win at Tennessee. So the mediocrity before him shouldn't scare any coach who knows they are capable of recruiting.

2. The roster does look bad coming in, but the roster wasn't stacked with All-Americans when Bruce got here, and look at what he did.

3. The line about this is a football school and anything people care about with basketball is secondary. False. It USED to be that way. After being top 5 in attendance nationally over Pearl's tenure, and from obvious conversation with other Tennessee fans over the past 6 years, it is obvious that this just is not the case anymore.

In my opinion, the only two things that are going to scare potential coaches from taking the Tenn job are the potential sanctions and the uncertainty with the AD. Unfortunately, those are two MAJOR question marks. This article was just written by some national pundit who hasn't paid any attention to the atmosphere surrounding UT bball over the past 6 years, but was asked to write up an article that is junior at best.
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He also showed the country you can win at Milwaukee. They had never made the NCAA tournament or NIT prior and are barely over .500 since he left.

As for recruiting, you said it best. "Look at what Bruce did". The top basketball recruits have never lined up at the door to play basketball at Tennessee. They started lining up to play for Bruce. Ware and Jones wanting out confirms this. If they wanted to play for the university, they would stick with their commitment. They've been recruited for a couple of years, have seen the facilities and probably even imagined themselves playing in front of 24,000 people. It took them all of 24 hours to decide they don't care about any of that without the coach who recruited them.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
Every coach knows that there's no stability in the college game. It's a business.
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But if you are Brad Stevens (or Chris Peterson if we want to put it in terms of football), do you risk your relatively easy current job (where you probably could stay forever if you so choose) for a job where you might make double the salary, but you might only be able to earn that salary for 3-5 years?

My whole point is that, for the purposes of hiring a high-profile coach (for any sport), Hamilton is a liability at this point...and has been for quite some time IMO.
 
#28
#28
just shut the program down.......the sky is falling, there was a earthquake, terrible flood, swarm of locust, north winds blow, south winds blow, smog!!!!!
 
#29
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daltonvol said:
It is right. But, unfortunately, MH has not handled the two high-profile terminations that he has executed well at all (and that is putting it very lightly). I understand that there are other factors at play, but I think that the reason we have had a hard time (twice!) trying to get a big-name football coach is because potential hires look at Fulmer's resume and know that even if they have significant success, they aren't going to be shown much loyalty by Mikey (don't flame me, I 100% agree that it was time for Fulmer to go...I'm just speculating on what potential hires might be thinking).

Similarly, potential MBB hires can now see that Pearl was very successful and that the administration pledged support for him, only to backtrack and send him packing (again, I'm not saying that it wasn't the right decision...I'm just speculating on what potential hires might be thinking).
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If a potential hire is worried that we might dump him after he gets busted for multiple major violations and unethical conduct, then I doubt we want him anyway.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
He also showed the country you can win at Milwaukee. They had never made the NCAA tournament or NIT prior and are barely over .500 since he left.

As for recruiting, you said it best. "Look at what Bruce did". The top basketball recruits have never lined up at the door to play basketball at Tennessee. They started lining up to play for Bruce. Ware and Jones wanting out confirms this. If they wanted to play for the university, they would stick with their commitment. They've been recruited for a couple of years, have seen the facilities and probably even imagined themselves playing in front of 24,000 people. It took them all of 24 hours to decide they don't care about any of that without the coach who recruited them.
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Yep, recruiting was awesome under Bruce. The roster is stacked for next year. Say what you will, he's got a great eye for talent.
 
#31
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
He also showed the country you can win at Milwaukee. They had never made the NCAA tournament or NIT prior and are barely over .500 since he left.

As for recruiting, you said it best. "Look at what Bruce did". The top basketball recruits have never lined up at the door to play basketball at Tennessee. They started lining up to play for Bruce. Ware and Jones wanting out confirms this. If they wanted to play for the university, they would stick with their commitment. They've been recruited for a couple of years, have seen the facilities and probably even imagined themselves playing in front of 24,000 people. It took them all of 24 hours to decide they don't care about any of that without the coach who recruited them.
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I agree. I'm not saying another coach can't win here, but it's not as easy as some on here want to make it out to be.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If a potential hire is worried that we might dump him after he gets busted for multiple major violations and unethical conduct, then I doubt we want him anyway.
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Of course, I agree with this completely. I'm just saying that, because of Hamilton still being the AD, it's not as simple as giving a tour of the facilities, arranging a meeting with Jim Haslam, and showing someone a treasure chest full of $100 bills. Until we have an AD that people can trust, we won't be getting the "big names" we, as fans, desire.
 
#33
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Instability in the Athletic Dept., players and recruits defecting, and looming NCAA sanctions, are not that attractive to potential big time coaches. Add to that, a not so great recruiting base and the fact that most of these high profile guys can hold out for another big program that will surely need a coach soon, and I would say our chances aren't that great to get a big time coach. We will go back to an up and comer if I had to guess.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
He also showed the country you can win at Milwaukee. They had never made the NCAA tournament or NIT prior and are barely over .500 since he left.

As for recruiting, you said it best. "Look at what Bruce did". The top basketball recruits have never lined up at the door to play basketball at Tennessee. They started lining up to play for Bruce. Ware and Jones wanting out confirms this. If they wanted to play for the university, they would stick with their commitment. They've been recruited for a couple of years, have seen the facilities and probably even imagined themselves playing in front of 24,000 people. It took them all of 24 hours to decide they don't care about any of that without the coach who recruited them.
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My point was that he showed it can be done, so the fact that it hadn't happened before him shouldn't deter any potential great coaches from wanting to come to Tenn. Believe it or not, there are other coaches out there capable of running a program just as good as, and even better than Bruce Pearl.

Everything doesn't fall apart just because of the head coach being fired. As others have been saying for days/weeks.... facilities, salary, fanbase, and support from the university are all attractive things for a great coach to look at as pros.
 
#38
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MTSUDaff said:
Disagree with everything in this article except for the obvious part about potential NCAA sanctions.

1. Who cares what Tennessee basketball was before Pearl got here? Pearl showed the country that you CAN win at Tennessee. So the mediocrity before him shouldn't scare any coach who knows they are capable of recruiting.

2. The roster does look bad coming in, but the roster wasn't stacked with All-Americans when Bruce got here, and look at what he did.

3. The line about this is a football school and anything people care about with basketball is secondary. False. It USED to be that way. After being top 5 in attendance nationally over Pearl's tenure, and from obvious conversation with other Tennessee fans over the past 6 years, it is obvious that this just is not the case anymore.

In my opinion, the only two things that are going to scare potential coaches from taking the Tenn job are the potential sanctions and the uncertainty with the AD. Unfortunately, those are two MAJOR question marks. This article was just written by some national pundit who hasn't paid any attention to the atmosphere surrounding UT bball over the past 6 years, but was asked to write up an article that is junior at best.
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That's a really big "only" right there.
 
#40
#40
You guys are getting punked by Matt Jones, founder of Kentuckysportsradio.com. He gets paid to write CBB articles from his pro-UK viewpoint.
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#41
#41
I have to think UT's job isn't as bad as the article is making it out to be. Jerry Green won 70% of his games and went to 4 straight NCAA tournaments. Was he a world-beater??? If I'm not mistaken UT has been to 10 out of the last 14 NCAA tournaments with all 4 misses being the Buzz Peterson era.

The NCAA sanctions and the Hamilton weirdness certainly hurt the attractiveness of the job, but hiring a good coach is very doable. UT is a program that a good coach can win at.
 
#42
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Brian McCat said:
You guys are getting punked by Matt Jones, founder of Kentuckysportsradio.com. He gets paid to write CBB articles from his pro-UK viewpoint.
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It's a shame he gets paid. Tell him Knoxville sends many well wishes to the train or other large object that plows his sorry arse.
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#43
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zjcvols said:
$2M is an attractive job anywhere.
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I agree. But it will take more than that to get a high profile coach IMO.

And then you have your Men's BB coach making more than your Football Head Coach.

That can't and won't happen.
 
#45
#45
triadvolfan said:
I have to think UT's job isn't as bad as the article is making it out to be. Jerry Green won 70% of his games and went to 4 straight NCAA tournaments. Was he a world-beater??? If I'm not mistaken UT has been to 10 out of the last 14 NCAA tournaments with all 4 misses being the Buzz Peterson era.

The NCAA sanctions and the Hamilton weirdness certainly hurt the attractiveness of the job, but hiring a good coach is very doable. UT is a program that a good coach can win at.
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Well-put. I cringe when I hear people like Jimmy Hyams say that the Football job is 5th or 6th in the conference. And our facilities are about the same. And with basketball, i also cringe when people make statements like that. Really, the ONLY people who know about facilities are the recruits. They are the only ones who've seen it all. Maybe they should interview a recruit somewhere who has been to every major college and ask him to rank the coaches, facilities, etc. and determine who has the best job available?

The fact is, recruits don't really know, fans don't know and writers who have never stepped out of their cubicle certainly don't. The writer of this article apparently has no earthly idea of what college basketball is all about and absolutely no idea of what UT basketball is about.

How do they decide who "gets" to write these articles? I'll tell you, the lowest bidder!
 
#46
#46
Brian McCat said:
You guys are getting punked by Matt Jones, founder of Kentuckysportsradio.com. He gets paid to write CBB articles from his pro-UK viewpoint.
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I think it's still a pretty good distillation of what the conventional wisdom about Tennessee basketball is. It contains all the usual tropes -- history of failure, overshadowed by football and Pat Summitt, terrible players in East Tennessee, etc. During the rise of Pearl every national article about him trotted all this same stuff out. Now it's something we have to overcome if we want to hire a good coach.
 
#47
#47
Vercingetorix said:
If you're willing to pony up to build the Pratt Pavilion and renovate TBA, it would incomprehensibly stupid now to go cheap on the hire. This is where you can end these lazy "Tennessee cares more about football and women's basketball" stories forever.
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I'd say Tennessee cares more about football. Women's basketball, not so much. I'm more interested in ending the "Bruce Pearl is Tennessee Basketball" stories.
 
#48
#48
SpringBokVol said:
I agree. But it will take more than that to get a high profile coach IMO.

And then you have your Men's BB coach making more than your Football Head Coach.

That can't and won't happen.
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I like Dooley, but our football coach ought to get down on his knees every morning and thank God that the timing of Kiffin leaving was so bad that we had no choice but to pluck him and his losing record out of Outhouse, Louisiana and enrich him beyond belief.

If this is seriously a constraint on hiring a basketball coach while our football coach has a career losing record, then we should just let the girls take over all of Pratt Pavilion, shut down the men's team entirely, and take up men's soccer instead.
 
#50
#50
XIVolNinjaIX said:
Instability in the Athletic Dept., players and recruits defecting, and looming NCAA sanctions, are not that attractive to potential big time coaches. Add to that, a not so great recruiting base and the fact that most of these high profile guys can hold out for another big program that will surely need a coach soon, and I would say our chances aren't that great to get a big time coach. We will go back to an up and comer if I had to guess.
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So what is the exact number of puppies you were kicking in your yard before you posted that?

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