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TNHopeful505

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I am majorly torn with this whole thing concerning Bruce, and maybe others are too. This thread is for those who aren't just quite sure what side they're on.


Concerning Bruce Being Let Go:
Yes, he did commit violations
Yes, he did lie.
Yes, he did commit a violation right after he admitted to cheating.
Yes, we did have one mediocre season this year compared to the last 5.
Yes, there is a slight chance we could get another coach like Larry Brown or Lawrence Frank or Rick Pitino (Highly doubtful).
Yes, if we let him go the penalties will probably be lighter.

But concerning him staying:
There doesn't seem to be another coach in the country who seems to be as electric as Bruce.
He brought so much back to our program, and put us on the map.
He brought in some quality talent.
Keeping him means probably keeping Tobias and Scotty, plus getting Chris Jones and Kevin Ware
He has a 70% win percentage since he's been here, winning more in the past second then we have in a long time.
He bleeds orange, and has reached out to the community since he's been here.
Penalties will come, but hopefully would not affect us for more than a season.


I just don't know which side to take.

Anyone else feeling torn like me on here? If so, why?
 
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+1. Im right there with ya. I love Bruce. Wish he could stay. But it just wont happen. Its for the better. Hate it has to end this way. Sad, really.
 
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I'm just glad I don't have to make these decisions. I am undecided so I'll just accept whatever happens. There are good pros and cons for both sides so it's hard for me to really lean one way or another.
 
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VolDad said:
On the concern side:
Who coaches during the 1 or 2 year suspension?

PS: Do you really think that will only affect us for 1 year?
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If there is a cut in scholarship, then that affects us longer than a year, since our depth is cut. I just don't know what kind of penalties we're looking at. I feel like the NCAA is just trying to make an example out of us. Which is bad.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
If there is a cut in scholarship, then that affects us longer than a year, since our depth is cut. I just don't know what kind of penalties we're looking at. I feel like the NCAA is just trying to make an example out of us. Which is bad.
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What about my Coaching question?
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
If there is a cut in scholarship, then that affects us longer than a year, since our depth is cut. I just don't know what kind of penalties we're looking at. I feel like the NCAA is just trying to make an example out of us. Which is bad.
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Partially true, but Bruce is really who they want to make an example of. I think we already know about what we'll receive if Bruce is retained, and what we'll get if he is let go.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I am majorly torn with this whole thing concerning Bruce, and maybe others are too. This thread is for those who aren't just quite sure what side they're on.


Concerning Bruce Being Let Go:
Yes, he did commit violations
Yes, he did lie.
Yes, he did commit a violation right after he admitted to cheating.
Yes, we did have one mediocre season this year compared to the last 5.
Yes, there is a slight chance we could get another coach like Larry Brown or Lawrence Frank or Rick Pitino (Highly doubtful).
Yes, if we let him go the penalties will probably be lighter.

But concerning him staying:
There doesn't seem to be another coach in the country who seems to be as electric as Bruce. I'm not a fan of coaches painting up and rapping in front of crowds.
He brought so much back to our program, and put us on the map.
Before Buzz Peterson sucked it up, Jerry freakin Green maintained Tennessee on the national radar. If he can do it, anyone can.
He brought in some quality talent.
Quality talent as in Passley, Crews, Smith, Smith, Johnson, Tabb, and Jurick? How did those 4 years stints last? Or are we talking about his quality player development? Smith, Tatum, and Hopson have shown dramatic improvements since arriving in Knoxville, oh wait.
Keeping him means probably keeping Tobias and Scotty, plus getting Chris Jones and Kevin Ware.
I'd rather bite the bullet and lose out on a few players now than keep a liar and someone who is going to get blasted by the NCAA. Will that not kill recruiting?
He has a 70% win percentage since he's been here, winning more in the past second then we have in a long time.
Tennessee actually had a coach right before Buzz with a higher mark.
He bleeds orange, and has reached out to the community since he's been here.
I would love to commit to someone like Bruce. He's lied at his previous jobs, cheated at his previous jobs and cheated in the real world. It's stupid to think he won't do the same again.
Penalties will come, but hopefully would not affect us for more than a season.


Anyone else feeling torn like me on here? If so, why?
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These are the reasons that I'm not a Bruce Pearl fan.
 
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Go on the NCAA's Facebook and look at the stupid crap some fans are posting there and your decision will be made.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
It's hard to say. The first answer would be Tony, but I really don't know.
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Assistants are heavily implicated in this. You are assuming that he is not suspended as well.

Let’s pretend Tony is not suspended or hit by any restrictions. Having no HC for 1 or 2 years and having a team run by an Assistant only sets us back 1 year?

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Don't really see how you can be torn as to needed action. Keeping an unethical coach who has caused an entire season of negative publicity for the program and university? As a university, send a message that ethics and character is not an expectation for employees or students? No realistic position to take except that he has to go regardless of the basketball success he has had. Unfortunately, he has destroyed the program with his recent issues and has done more damage and good. Hard to see how anyone doesn't see that.
 
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You can't really think Harris and Scotty Scissorhands will stay once the NCAA hits us with a post season ban because we kept Bruce, can you???

You really think Jones and Ware want so badly to play for Bruce that they will not petition the NCAA to get out of their commitments once they find out they definitely won't go to the tourney their freshman year because of the ban and are very unlikely to get there while they're here because of multi-year scholarship limitations the NCAA imposes because we kept Pearl???
 
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If NCAA decides to make an example out of us, then they need to lower the boom on OSU also! He excluded the truth...so his head should roll as well.
 
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The problem I see if he stays:

Great news, UT keeps Harris and Hopson. Gets Ware and Jones. Probably the best talent UT has seen in a long time on the floor.

My issue is not who will coach them, but what is the point of having all that talent and a post season ban. What a waste that would be.

I would resent Pearl for doing that to UT basketball. Especially if that team wins 28 or more games next year. Ouch.
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He most likely is gone. I just hate that such a good thing went bad, and that it could have been prevented.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
The problem I see if he stays:

Great news, UT keeps Harris and Hopson. Gets Ware and Jones. Probably the best talent UT has seen in a long time on the floor.

My issue is not who will coach them, but what is the point of having all that talent and a post season ban. What a waste that would be.

I would resent Pearl for doing that to UT basketball. Especially if that team wins 28 or more games next year. Ouch.
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I was thinking they were gone regardless of who the coach is?
 
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jspvol76 said:
I was thinking they were gone regardless of who the coach is?
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There is a lot being said about both situations, but the latest I have heard is that Harris will stay if Pearl does.

Not sure on Hopson, but I think he stays if Pearl does as well.

They are both gone if he is gone.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
There is a lot being said about both situations, but the latest I have heard is that Harris will stay if Pearl does.

Not sure on Hopson, but I think he stays if Pearl does as well.

They are both gone if he is gone.
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If our new coach is hired before the deadline to declare for the draft, the RIGHT hire might make them reconsider. Also Jones has said he will not come unless Bruce stays, and Ware is wavering. I think all the players need to wait and see who we get. Decisions made during an emotional time are usually knee jerk reactions. Best to wait, then decide. If we get the right guy, most if not all may reconsider.
 
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Harris and Hopson would still leave. 0% he would be coaching next year
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SpringBokVol said:
They are both gone if he is gone.
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I tend to agree with you, but do you think it would be a mistake on Hopson's part to leave early? I'm not certain about his chances on being an NBA first rounder. If he could improve as much next year as he did this year, then he could be a high 1st rounder...especially, if he could develop a better handle in traffic.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Do you believe that coach K knew nothing about the cory maggete thing? He played an ineligible player for an entire season and had no idea he was getting paid.No coach is completely clean.
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I'm not saying a coach will always be clean, but Pearl shouldn't act like he is and then commit numerous violations.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I would resent Pearl for doing that to UT basketball. Especially if that team wins 28 or more games next year. Ouch.
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Don't disagree with your point, but I don't think there's a snowball's chance the team wins 28 next year no matter who goes or stays.
 
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