Winning at all costs

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Weezer

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How can people justify what Pearl has done? Why do some of the posters on this site feel the NCAA has been too harsh on Pearl and that he deserves to keep his job? The man created this situation himself. He lied to the NCAA. Worse he lied to the NCAA over a silly secondary violation. He didn't lie over something major, he lied over a cookout. Why? As a coach, he had to know he was turning something minor into something major. He screwed his players and tarnished the reputation of UT in an attempt to not get caught. He put himself above everyone else involved. Is this the man we really want as our coach?

Yes, he has taken UT basketball to, if not new heights, at least heights we haven't experienced in some time. But does that really justify what he did? Is winning so important that the cost shouldn't matter? Should we just allow this type of behavior to be okay? Sure he's apologized, but then he goes out and commits another violation four days later. He claims he didn't know it was a violation, but having just lied to the NCAA, do you really believe he would have qualms about lying again? Some want to take him at his word, but so far he has only shown his word to be no good.

I'm appreciative of the new life that CBP brought to UT basketball, but what he has done merits his dismissal. At this point, keeping him does nothing but cause continuous harm to UT. He shot himself in the foot.

One other side note, how effective a recruiter could Pearl be when it is known he tried to get a recruit and his father to lie for him? Do you think this is a man parents would want their kids to play for? By all indications, he wouldn't be able to recruit for at least a season, maybe two, but when he could return, do you think other coaches wouldn't be reminding parents of this? I don't see that as something parents are just going to overlook. He's done far more harm than I think some are willing to admit. It's time for him to go and UT basketball to move on.
 
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it's pathetic reading all the delusional posts by largely (I would guess) bandwagon fans on that keep Pearl facebook group. I ashamed to be a part of the Tennessee fan base when I read some of the ignorant comments posted. How can some of those people be so out of touch with reality? .. I mean I know they're bandwagoners but seriously "keep Bruce!! he's brought the program back from the gutter, everyone makes mistakes.. so what?" posts are getting old. Seems like some people just don't understand the severity of lying to the NCAA... then lying again about the bump violation.. or they don't get the NCAA will hammer the program and set it back to the Houston era for a decade if we actually attempted to keep him. 2-3 years with an interim coach.. yeah that'd be great.. I'm sure we'd get top notch recruits during that time as well...
 
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I support winning at all costs.
I also support coming clean when you've been caught.
 
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crusse10 said:
I support winning at all costs.
I also support coming clean when you've been caught.
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Not attacking you, but if you believe in winning at all costs, do you think it's okay for athletes to use steroids?
 
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I support UT winning at all costs. I do not support UT getting caught. I would want Bruce back, but I know the NCAA won't allow that so it is in the best interest of the program to get rid of him. Everyone cheats in college basketball and football.
 
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Weezer said:
Not attacking you, but if you believe in winning at all costs, do you think it's okay for athletes to use steroids?
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Not attacking you, but did you celebrate when UT won the national championship in 98? Are you naive enough to believe no cheating went on to construct that team?
 
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Weezer said:
Not attacking you, but if you believe in winning at all costs, do you think it's okay for athletes to use steroids?
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When I say "win at all costs," I'm referring to the coaches and preparation. I don't support personal harm. I think that abusing steroids can lead to bodily harm. Do I have a problem with a guy taking a shot or two specifically to rehab quicker? Not really. There's a fine line with something that causes bodily harm.
When it comes to coaching, if it means you have to call a kid when you're not supposed to, go for it. If you have to invite a kid to a little barbecue, do it. Whatever it takes to legally make your team better, why not do it? You know everyone else is.
 
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I just find the whole thing funny ... Pearl deserves to stay ... Pearl needs to go ... the thing that I think is funny is how this University can act like they stand tall ... I love the heritage and history of the University of Tennessee ... but now there is only two things that make Tennessee sports ... thats Pat Summit and the fans. I believe some of the fan base see " like football " there is no one that will want to coach here. So they are trying to hang on to someone they know actually wants to be here. The others hold a belief that we can get anyone to come to Tennessee. I can see both sides but the powers that be wants to run the University of Tennessee like a business. To put money ahead of fans and players.
 
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Scottyhop said:
Not attacking you, but did you celebrate when UT won the national championship in 98? Are you naive enough to believe no cheating went on to construct that team?
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As you said in your previous post, everyone cheats. Odds are UT broke some rules. On that, I'll concede your point. But when you get caught, you can't pretend it's okay and sweep it under the rug. My biggest problem with Pearl's transgression is how he compounded it. Why lie about a secondary violation, thus turning it into a major violation? I feel his dismissal/resignation is justified despite his on the court successes.
 
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Weezer said:
As you said in your previous post, everyone cheats. Odds are UT broke some rules. On that, I'll concede your point. But when you get caught, you can't pretend it's okay and sweep it under the rug. My biggest problem with Pearl's transgression is how he compounded it. Why lie about a secondary violation, thus turning it into a major violation? I feel his dismissal/resignation is justified despite his on the court successes.
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1. When it happened, did you have a problem with Lane Kiffin's secondary violations?
2. When he left, did you complain about his secondary violations?
Assuming you answered yes to both of those, as a wide majority of Vol fans fall under that category,
3. Does this situation make you feel any differently now?
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
I just find the whole thing funny ... Pearl deserves to stay ... Pearl needs to go ... the thing that I think is funny is how this University can act like they stand tall ... I love the heritage and history of the University of Tennessee ... but now there is only two things that make Tennessee sports ... thats Pat Summit and the fans. I believe some of the fan base see " like football " there is no one that will want to coach here. So they are trying to hang on to someone they know actually wants to be here. The others hold a belief that we can get anyone to come to Tennessee. I can see both sides but the powers that be wants to run the University of Tennessee like a business. To put money ahead of fans and players.
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Seriously? Pat summitt? Lol.
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Weezer said:
As you said in your previous post, everyone cheats. Odds are UT broke some rules. On that, I'll concede your point. But when you get caught, you can't pretend it's okay and sweep it under the rug. My biggest problem with Pearl's transgression is how he compounded it. Why lie about a secondary violation, thus turning it into a major violation? I feel his dismissal/resignation is justified despite his on the court successes.
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Does anyone really know what goes through these peoples' head. There are coaches that have been cheating for the last 10 years and they keep cheating while their college looks the other ways. Its a power trip to some of these guys. Its not a game anymore. Its a billion dollar industry mixed in politics, lies, and corporations. Always remember "Greed is good"
 
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That little thought would work out if women's basketball counted for anything... But it doesn't.

UT women's hoops has been a "Oh, that's nice." type of thing but if Pat retired tomorrow, 98% of UT fans wouldn't care.
 
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milohimself said:
That little thought would work out if women's basketball counted for anything... But it doesn't.

UT women's hoops has been a "Oh, that's nice." type of thing but if Pat retired tomorrow, 98% of UT fans wouldn't care the following day.
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fyp

it would be shock and awe that day. The press conference would be tearful and the rock would be painted. UT would be in mourning.
 
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Problem with BP is he couldn't wiggle out of that lie... If you want to have a good basketball program to compete with the big boys of college basketball, then you better have a coach that walks on that thin line... Div 1 bball is a dirty game, especially the recruiting aspect of it. Would you not want to have a coach like Calipari at Tennessee?
 
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I don't give a damn who "deserves" what. It's only a matter of what's best for the program that should be in the decision process. I wanted Pearl to stay because he wins and we are successful under him.If the penalties make him unable to do so and also inhibit his value to the program, then we need to find someone else. If it was felt that this was something we could overcome and he would be effective in the future, keep him. Bottom line, it's business. I don't want a criminal running the show, but I've been in job positions dealing with people where lying about a BBQ and extra phone calls would be as mild a violation as farting during dinner.
 
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Well this doesn't fall under that. The perception of the university matters here.

Doing the right thing and the most effective thing are one in the same here.
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People on here want to criticize and point fingers...He lied. No different than most of us when we get pulled over for a speeding ticket. When the cop ask you if you know why you were pulled over, and you say no...You know damn well why you got pulled over. YOU WERE SPEEDING!

Bruce probably got blindsided by the question and didn't know how to answer it. Not defending him, just throwing a new point of view out there...He is human after all.
 
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Weezer said:
How can people justify what Pearl has done? Why do some of the posters on this site feel the NCAA has been too harsh on Pearl and that he deserves to keep his job? The man created this situation himself. He lied to the NCAA. Worse he lied to the NCAA over a silly secondary violation. He didn't lie over something major, he lied over a cookout. Why? As a coach, he had to know he was turning something minor into something major. He screwed his players and tarnished the reputation of UT in an attempt to not get caught. He put himself above everyone else involved. Is this the man we really want as our coach?

Yes, he has taken UT basketball to, if not new heights, at least heights we haven't experienced in some time. But does that really justify what he did? Is winning so important that the cost shouldn't matter? Should we just allow this type of behavior to be okay? Sure he's apologized, but then he goes out and commits another violation four days later. He claims he didn't know it was a violation, but having just lied to the NCAA, do you really believe he would have qualms about lying again? Some want to take him at his word, but so far he has only shown his word to be no good.

I'm appreciative of the new life that CBP brought to UT basketball, but what he has done merits his dismissal. At this point, keeping him does nothing but cause continuous harm to UT. He shot himself in the foot.

One other side note, how effective a recruiter could Pearl be when it is known he tried to get a recruit and his father to lie for him? Do you think this is a man parents would want their kids to play for? By all indications, he wouldn't be able to recruit for at least a season, maybe two, but when he could return, do you think other coaches wouldn't be reminding parents of this? I don't see that as something parents are just going to overlook. He's done far more harm than I think some are willing to admit. It's time for him to go and UT basketball to move on.
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his past performance only justifies some consideration for forgiveness. The act itself is not justified.
 
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I truly believe we should keep Bruce, we will fair a lot better in the long run with him regarless of the sanctions, than without him. I believe we stand to lose to many key scholarship players, if we fire Bruce, under the immediate transfer rule without them losing a year of playing time or to the pros. I believe we will also come out of this faster retaining Pearl rather than firing and hiring a new coach regarless of whatever else the NCAA hands down. Lastly, I don't trust Cheeks, Hamilton, or the few donors that are overly moralistic where Pearl is concerned to make a quality hire, I think they are all losers. I trust the known in this case more than the unknown. If the fan base punishes the administrators by not going to the games or buying mechandise they could hurt the program far worse than losing or alienating a few donors. Just my person feeling on the subject.
 
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