Message From Libya

[VOLatile]

We are about to get one of two situations:

1) a brand new Middle East that steps up to present day and gives equal rights to all and wants freedom and democracy

2) a brand new Middle East that is ran by even more extreme Muslims that decide to attack Israel and hate America.

I pray to God we se option 1 because option two will lead to WW3.

I'd be willing to be we get mostly option 1 with at least one country executing option 2. As a whole I don't think we'll get either/or, rather a mixture of both.

 

[BigOrange15]

I wonder if Bush had left Saddam in power he would have been overthrown as well. As well as the govt in Afghanistan, without the U.S. firing a shot.

I've wondered that myself. I would think Saddam would have been overthrown eventually. Afghanistan I'm not so sure about.

 

[NEO]

Overthrowning Saddam was one of the dumbest moves this country has ever made, up there with Viet Nam. The Sunnis are the power check and the fact that he was taken out of power has titled the scales drastically. Stupid, stupid move.

 

[VOLatile]

Overthrowning Saddam was one of the dumbest moves this country has ever made, up there with Viet Nam. The Sunnis are the power check and the fact that he was taken out of power has titled the scales drastically. Stupid, stupid move.

Yup. I don't think we really had any business in there to begin with.

 

[gsvol]

Or maybe we don't have as much of a stake in what happens in Libya as we do in what happens in Egypt.

If so then why call for the ouster of an ally and be mum about an enemy??

If Mubarak were still in power in Egypt would Iranian warships be passing through the Suez??

NO!

Do we have as much at stake in Iran as Egypt??

Why no call for the ouster of Ahmahdamnnutjob and for the Mullahs to allow anyone to run for public office instead of only those of whom they approve?

The claim is that the government of Egypt is oppressive but Iran has executed more than 120 political prisoners since December, that's more than Egypt has in the last ten or twenty years.

It's like saying the Shah was oppressive but failing to note the mullahs killed 100 times as many of it's own citizens in far less time.

I thought Obama was the great messiah of human rights!

It is unheard of for a regime to attack civil protests with military planes or to bring foreing mercenairies into a country to murder it's own citizens as Ghadaffi has in Libya.

Obama said; 'we can hear your voices' to protesters in Egypt but nothing but crickets chirping from him and Hitlery on Libya.

Of all the unrest accross the mideast in Morocco, Yemen, Algeria, Bahrain, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and others, more people have died in Libya than all the others combined.

Another question, do you think Obama and the military regime no ruling Egypt had no contact concerning the Iranian warships passing through the Suez and if Obama wanted to have stopped that he couldn't have.

I'm tired of people giving Obama a free pass, he is an enemy of America and the American people, he is a wolf in sheeps clothing and a charlatan of the first order!

 

[VOLatile]

I thought it was implied that the US would like Ahmadinejad gone?

 

[BigOrange15]

If so then why call for the ouster of an ally and be mum about an enemy??

If Mubarak were still in power in Egypt would Iranian warships be passing through the Suez??

NO!

Do we have as much at stake in Iran as Egypt??

Why no call for the ouster of Ahmahdamnnutjob and for the Mullahs to allow anyone to run for public office instead of only those of whom they approve?

The claim is that the government of Egypt is oppressive but Iran has executed more than 120 political prisoners since December, that's more than Egypt has in the last ten or twenty years.

It's like saying the Shah was oppressive but failing to note the mullahs killed 100 times as many of it's own citizens in far less time.

I thought Obama was the great messiah of human rights!

It is unheard of for a regime to attack civil protests with military planes or to bring foreing mercenairies into a country to murder it's own citizens as Ghadaffi has in Libya.

Obama said; 'we can hear your voices' to protesters in Egypt but nothing but crickets chirping from him and Hitlery on Libya.

Of all the unrest accross the mideast in Morocco, Yemen, Algeria, Bahrain, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and others, more people have died in Libya than all the others combined.

Another question, do you think Obama and the military regime no ruling Egypt had no contact concerning the Iranian warships passing through the Suez and if Obama wanted to have stopped that he couldn't have.

I'm tired of people giving Obama a free pass, he is an enemy of America and the American people, he is a wolf in sheeps clothing and a charlatan of the first order!

I don't like Obama either. I'm just calling it as I see it.

 

[gsvol]

Afghanistan, no. Iraq? Saddam might have been like, or worse then, Gadaffi. He did use chemical weapons on his own people.

Gibbs has argued back during the anti Bush propaganda campaign that it was the Iranians who used chemical weapons on the Kurds, not Hussein.

Overthrowning Saddam was one of the dumbest moves this country has ever made, up there with Viet Nam. The Sunnis are the power check and the fact that he was taken out of power has titled the scales drastically. Stupid, stupid move.

Afghanistan is far more like Vietnam than Iraq.

What did you think of the "Iraqi regime change act of 1998?"

I wonder if Bush had left Saddam in power he would have been overthrown as well. As well as the govt in Afghanistan, without the U.S. firing a shot.

The chance of the people of Iraq overthrowing Hussein had about as much chance as overthrowing Hitler or Stalin from within.

He better. What's he's done to the people of Libya is on the same track as Mussolini.

Mussolini is a saint compared to Ghaddafi and I'm no fan of Mussolini.

And you could throw in American/Christian/Jew instead of Muslim and it would be just as much of a fact. Which is ZERO.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[VOLatile]

What in the world are you talking about?

I was talking about him pulling numbers out of his arse based on how he feels would happen.

 

[gsvol]

Yup. I don't think we really had any business in there to begin with.

Because as BHO said; "we have no business in a muslim country?"

I thought it was implied that the US would like Ahmadinejad gone?

Implied by whom and when??

Two years ago when the Iranian people protested the sham electon of ahmakinejad and were brutally suppressed I don't seem to recall Obama and Hitlery making much of a fuss and during the current unrest there is nothing like the involvement and public statements made about Iran as there were about Egypt.

It seems more to me Obama is trying to make himself a hero to the moslem world.

Louis Farrakhan called him the 'messiah' and one prominent islamic cleric in Pakistan said that Obama should declar himself the new caliph.

I don't like Obama either. I'm just calling it as I see it.

So you believe Obama is operating in good faith and is representing the best interests of the USA??

I'll say one thing, we had better all hope that Ghaddafi doesn't survive the power purge, especially after the fall of Mubarak.

What does it cost Obama to condemn the acts of Ghaddafi??

Nothing.

Why doesn't he do it???

Tell me that!

 

[gsvol]

I was talking about him pulling numbers out of his arse based on how he feels would happen.

That still tells me nothing or even whom you are talking about.

What numbers?

What would happen?

 

[MG1968]

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/02/23/138957.html

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing in 1988, former justice minister Mustapha Abdeljalil told Swedish daily Expressen, the paper reported on its website Wednesday.

"I have proof that Gaddafi gave the order on Lockerbie," said the minister, who stepped down Monday to protest the ongoing violence in Libya.

rats deserting a sinking ship

 

[NEO]

I thought it was implied that the US would like Ahmadinejad gone?

I don't think the US can do a 10 or more year look back on almost anything and say what they thought would be good was actually good. We won a war called WW2 and suddenly we felt we could place democracy into foreign countries like an anit-virus and hand pick great leaders. All you have to do is watch Rambo 3 or Living Daylights to see how much the current time didn't overly get what was going on. You can name those characters in the movie anything you want but they were based on Bin Laden.

 

[BigOrange15]

If so then why call for the ouster of an ally and be mum about an enemy??

If Mubarak were still in power in Egypt would Iranian warships be passing through the Suez??

NO!

Do we have as much at stake in Iran as Egypt??

Why no call for the ouster of Ahmahdamnnutjob and for the Mullahs to allow anyone to run for public office instead of only those of whom they approve?

The claim is that the government of Egypt is oppressive but Iran has executed more than 120 political prisoners since December, that's more than Egypt has in the last ten or twenty years.

It's like saying the Shah was oppressive but failing to note the mullahs killed 100 times as many of it's own citizens in far less time.

I thought Obama was the great messiah of human rights!

It is unheard of for a regime to attack civil protests with military planes or to bring foreing mercenairies into a country to murder it's own citizens as Ghadaffi has in Libya.

Obama said; 'we can hear your voices' to protesters in Egypt but nothing but crickets chirping from him and Hitlery on Libya.

Of all the unrest accross the mideast in Morocco, Yemen, Algeria, Bahrain, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and others, more people have died in Libya than all the others combined.

Another question, do you think Obama and the military regime no ruling Egypt had no contact concerning the Iranian warships passing through the Suez and if Obama wanted to have stopped that he couldn't have.

I'm tired of people giving Obama a free pass, he is an enemy of America and the American people, he is a wolf in sheeps clothing and a charlatan of the first order!

What were you saying? Like I said, I'm certainly not a fan of Obama but come on, don't you think wasn't saying anything because he was seeing how the situation played out.

N. Africa, Mideast protests – U.S. considering options on Libya, including sanctions – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41744249#41744249

 

[WA_Vol]

I wonder if Bush had left Saddam in power he would have been overthrown as well. As well as the govt in Afghanistan, without the U.S. firing a shot.

Afghanistan's "govt" was comparable to Somalia's.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

Black Hawk down was on last night and rewatched. That place looked total civil war in the movie.

Afghanistan, no. Iraq? Saddam might have been like, or worse then, Gadaffi. He did use chemical weapons on his own people.

I have to think Saddam would have been unseated as well.

 

[VOLatile]

That still tells me nothing or even whom you are talking about.

What numbers?

What would happen?

You must have missed it, so here, let me show you...

I suspect 20% of Muslims would kill a jew if they thought they could get away with it.

Another 20% would make life difficult on a Jew if they had the chance to.

Another 30% would just deal with the Jew but would not want to build a bridge and fix the problems.

The remaining 30% actually want a society that treats women equally and moves towards equality on all fronts.

You can throw in American or Christian instead of Jew if you feel like it.

That's my opinion.

And you could throw in American/Christian/Jew instead of Muslim and it would be just as much of a fact. Which is ZERO.

 

[gsvol]

What were you saying? Like I said, I'm certainly not a fan of Obama but come on, don't you think wasn't saying anything because he was seeing how the situation played out.

N. Africa, Mideast protests – U.S. considering options on Libya, including sanctions – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

msnbc.com Video Player

I don't subscribe to msnbc or especially cnn spin.

Obama was almost immediately proactive in Egypt,
calling for Mubarak to step down and for the muslim
brotherhood to be involved in the new government,
even though they have been involved for thirty years
through the democratic process.

BTW, Obama said not one word when the Christian
party was not included in talks about rewriting the
Egyptian constitution.

Hitlery promised to immediately redirect $150 million
to Mubarak's opposition and that would probably
mean a sizeable chunk would go to the muslim
brotherhood which would be no surprise because
Obama has promised to cut through red tape to
give government money to the brotherhood in
this country.

OTOH Obama has been almost silent on Libya and
Ghaddafi until tonight when he said the world must
speak with one voice and sent Hitlery to Europe to
speak with leaders there.

Perhaps they are thinking of a NATO action.

Latest developments, reports now say over 1,000
have been killed and that Ghadaffi is threatening
to shut down the oil pipelines carrying petroleum
from the fields to the Med ports.

Some Army units have defected, two of Ghadaffi's
sons have their own private militias.

Black Hawk down was on last night and rewatched. That place looked total civil war in the movie.



I have to think Saddam would have been unseated as well.

They tried that for ten years and got nowhere,
we even placed sanctions on Iraq and enforced
no fly zones and the people in Iraq got nothing
but punishment for their efforts.

I must admit it might have worked better if not
for the absolute corruption of the UN in administering
the oil for food program that went all the way to the
top and were giving kickbacks to Hussein which gave
him enough money to stay in power.

I talked with two Somalis one night and both were
asked about the movie, one was here when it
actually happened and took the typical American
view, the other was in Somalia when it happened
and was very angry that we didn't try to negotiate
with those characterized as 'war lords' by the media
and who were not only willing but anxious to negotiate
with us, actually being Somali patriots who wanted
neither a UN puppet government or an al-qaeda style,
taliban like theocratic rule.

I haven't seen the movie, I'll bet though that hollywood
left out the requests from on the ground American
commanders in the country for armored vehicles if they
were going to take on the 'war lords' and that we had
those vehicles on ships off shore ready to land but
Clinton denied their requests??

BTW, when Clinton then withdrew our troops bin laden
crowed to the world that we didn't have the stomach
to resist and then proceeded to bomb our embassies
in east Africa and eventually produced 9/11.

Pundit Press: Go Figure: Obama White House Can't Spell "Libya"

You must have missed it, so here, let me show you...

His numbers are a bit low and your reply is assinine.

In July of last year, the University of Maryland
commissioned Zogby to poll the people of Egypt.
Here are a few of their findings:

85% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable attitude
toward the U.S.

87% of Egyptians have no confidence in the U.S.

92% of Egyptians believe the U.S. is one of two
nations that is the greatest threat to them (the
other nation the Egyptian people hate is Israel)

52% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable opinion of
American people

65% of Egyptians believe that Islamic clergy must
play a greater role in the Egyptian political system

79% percent of Egyptians believe that it would be
positive if Iran is able to acquire nuclear weapons

'Kill all the Zionist Jews' -- Sheikh Yussef al-Qardawi,
The Voice of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.

These are the people who 0bama called 'inspirational.'

Dyed-in-the-wool Islamists, or champions of democracy?

Either way these yahoos still drag along their
anti-American, anti-Israel agenda.




The Zogby poll results back up a similar project
conducted by Pew in April and May of last year.

Among Egyptian Muslims polled,

85% felt that Islam’s role in politics was a positive
one.

In a struggle between modernizers and Islamist
fundamentalists,

59% of Egyptians who foresaw such a conflict stated
they would side with the Islamists,

(You are aware of what islamist fudamentalist believe
and teach?)

while only

27% stated that they would side with the modernizers.

Another Pew poll last June revealed that only

17% of Egyptians hold a favorable view of the United
States, while

20% hold a favorable view of suicide bombing.

Yes dear readers, Egyptians like suicide bombing more
than they like you.

Pew also revealed that

82% of Egyptian Muslims support stoning human
beings to death for having sex outside of marriage
and that

77% of Egyptian Muslims support public whippings
and cutting people’s hands off for theft.

In addition, a terrifying

84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death
penalty for anyone who has the good sense
to leave the religion of Islam.

As much as we may not like Hosni Mubarak, there are
many worse people who could be in power in Egypt —
and they are very likely to be in power before the
end of the year. We would all like to believe that
the protesters in the streets of Egypt are all fighting
for freedom — but that is not what they say about
themselves.

By their own admission, they prefer Islamic
fundamentalism to modern civilization by
more than 2 to 1.

They don’t want a modern democracy; they do
want to murder people for having sex outside of
marriage. They don’t want freedom of religion
— in fact 84% of them want to establish the
death penalty for it.

 

[gsvol]

Hmmmm... I'm not sure I would go down that road concerning Ghaddafi, gs. :unsure:

Oh yes I do.

Zero and the Colonel - Politics of Israel - AOL Message Boards

The "foreign mercenaries" that you have been hearing
about on the news, the ones Ghadafi brought in and
who have been doing most of the killing of unarmed
Libyans, are actually from the non-Kikyuyu tribal
mercinaries, the same ones who did the slaughtering
in Kenya on behalf of Obamsky's cousin and political
ally Comrade Railia Odinga.

 

[BigOrange15]

I don't subscribe to msnbc or especially cnn spin.

Obama was almost immediately proactive in Egypt,
calling for Mubarak to step down and for the muslim
brotherhood to be involved in the new government,
even though they have been involved for thirty years
through the democratic process.

BTW, Obama said not one word when the Christian
party was not included in talks about rewriting the
Egyptian constitution.

Hitlery promised to immediately redirect $150 million
to Mubarak's opposition and that would probably
mean a sizeable chunk would go to the muslim
brotherhood which would be no surprise because
Obama has promised to cut through red tape to
give government money to the brotherhood in
this country.

OTOH Obama has been almost silent on Libya and
Ghaddafi until tonight when he said the world must
speak with one voice and sent Hitlery to Europe to
speak with leaders there.

Perhaps they are thinking of a NATO action.

Latest developments, reports now say over 1,000
have been killed and that Ghadaffi is threatening
to shut down the oil pipelines carrying petroleum
from the fields to the Med ports.

Some Army units have defected, two of Ghadaffi's
sons have their own private militias.









They tried that for ten years and got nowhere,
we even placed sanctions on Iraq and enforced
no fly zones and the people in Iraq got nothing
but punishment for their efforts.

I must admit it might have worked better if not
for the absolute corruption of the UN in administering
the oil for food program that went all the way to the
top and were giving kickbacks to Hussein which gave
him enough money to stay in power.

I talked with two Somalis one night and both were
asked about the movie, one was here when it
actually happened and took the typical American
view, the other was in Somalia when it happened
and was very angry that we didn't try to negotiate
with those characterized as 'war lords' by the media
and who were not only willing but anxious to negotiate
with us, actually being Somali patriots who wanted
neither a UN puppet government or an al-qaeda style,
taliban like theocratic rule.

I haven't seen the movie, I'll bet though that hollywood
left out the requests from on the ground American
commanders in the country for armored vehicles if they
were going to take on the 'war lords' and that we had
those vehicles on ships off shore ready to land but
Clinton denied their requests??

BTW, when Clinton then withdrew our troops bin laden
crowed to the world that we didn't have the stomach
to resist and then proceeded to bomb our embassies
in east Africa and eventually produced 9/11.

Pundit Press: Go Figure: Obama White House Can't Spell "Libya"

His numbers are a bit low and your reply is assinine.

In July of last year, the University of Maryland
commissioned Zogby to poll the people of Egypt.
Here are a few of their findings:

85% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable attitude
toward the U.S.

87% of Egyptians have no confidence in the U.S.

92% of Egyptians believe the U.S. is one of two
nations that is the greatest threat to them (the
other nation the Egyptian people hate is Israel)

52% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable opinion of
American people

65% of Egyptians believe that Islamic clergy must
play a greater role in the Egyptian political system

79% percent of Egyptians believe that it would be
positive if Iran is able to acquire nuclear weapons

'Kill all the Zionist Jews' -- Sheikh Yussef al-Qardawi,
The Voice of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.

These are the people who 0bama called 'inspirational.'

Dyed-in-the-wool Islamists, or champions of democracy?

Either way these yahoos still drag along their
anti-American, anti-Israel agenda.




The Zogby poll results back up a similar project
conducted by Pew in April and May of last year.

Among Egyptian Muslims polled,

85% felt that Islam’s role in politics was a positive
one.

In a struggle between modernizers and Islamist
fundamentalists,

59% of Egyptians who foresaw such a conflict stated
they would side with the Islamists,

(You are aware of what islamist fudamentalist believe
and teach?)

while only

27% stated that they would side with the modernizers.

Another Pew poll last June revealed that only

17% of Egyptians hold a favorable view of the United
States, while

20% hold a favorable view of suicide bombing.

Yes dear readers, Egyptians like suicide bombing more
than they like you.

Pew also revealed that

82% of Egyptian Muslims support stoning human
beings to death for having sex outside of marriage
and that

77% of Egyptian Muslims support public whippings
and cutting people’s hands off for theft.

In addition, a terrifying

84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death
penalty for anyone who has the good sense
to leave the religion of Islam.

As much as we may not like Hosni Mubarak, there are
many worse people who could be in power in Egypt —
and they are very likely to be in power before the
end of the year. We would all like to believe that
the protesters in the streets of Egypt are all fighting
for freedom — but that is not what they say about
themselves.

By their own admission, they prefer Islamic
fundamentalism to modern civilization by
more than 2 to 1.

They don’t want a modern democracy; they do
want to murder people for having sex outside of
marriage. They don’t want freedom of religion
— in fact 84% of them want to establish the
death penalty for it.

What are you talking about? It isn't spin, That's the actual video of Obama condemning them. The very thing you said he wasn't doing.

 

[Burhead]

Overthrowning Saddam was one of the dumbest moves this country has ever made, up there with Viet Nam. The Sunnis are the power check and the fact that he was taken out of power has titled the scales drastically. Stupid, stupid move.

I have to agree, sure Saddam's wasn't the nicest guy around but he kept his country secure and stable, and kept the influence of Iran and other extremist elements in check.

 

[gsvol]

What are you talking about? It isn't spin, That's the actual video of Obama condemning them. The very thing you said he wasn't doing.

My computer doesn't do any video presently.

Obama condemning whom??

I heard part of the audio and I didn't hear him
speak Ghadaffi's name whereas he publicly
stated Mubarak should step almost immediately.

It took him nine days to speak about Libya which
has been far more brutal than the 'oppressive'
Mubarak government.

There is a difference between condemning violence
and asking a head of state to step down.

Seriously, you don't see huge contrasts in the way
Obama treated the Egytian situation and the way
he has reacted to the situations in Iran and Lybia???

 

[BigOrange15]

My computer doesn't do any video presently.

Obama condemning whom??

I heard part of the audio and I didn't hear him
speak Ghadaffi's name whereas he publicly
stated Mubarak should step almost immediately.

It took him nine days to speak about Libya which
has been far more brutal than the 'oppressive'
Mubarak government.

There is a difference between condemning violence
and asking a head of state to step down.

Seriously, you don't see huge contrasts in the way
Obama treated the Egytian situation and the way
he has reacted to the situations in Iran and Lybia???

It is of him condemning Libya and the actions the government is taking against it's people. And I do see a difference but I also see two different countries that can't be treated the same.

 

[gsvol]

I have to agree, sure Saddam's wasn't the nicest guy around but he kept his country secure and stable, and kept the influence of Iran and other extremist elements in check.

It is of him condemning Libya and the actions the government is taking against it's people. And I do see a difference but I also see two different countries that can't be treated the same.

I concede that every country cannot be treated
exactly the same but let's look at some of Obama's
inconsistencies.

For one, of all the mideastern countries now experiencting
civil unrest, Egypt was the most secular and
most democratic yet Obama came down on
that government the hardest.

Two of the worst, Libya and Iran, don't seem to
be a blip on Obama's radar until he can not longer
avoid a public statement.

Consider this: (When even wapo and the NY Slimes
criticize Obama you indeed know he has been a
bit extreme.

On Obama's Poor Response to Libya | The Weekly Standard

With a thousand Libyans (and perhaps many more)
dead already from the Qaddafi regime’s attacks on
its own population, and with reports of thousands
of mercenaries and militiamen streaming toward
Tripoli, President Obama finally spoke to the nation
about this violence on Wednesday afternoon. He
announced solemnly that he was sending Secretary
of State Clinton to Geneva to visit the U.N. Human
Rights Council and “hold consultations”—next
Monday! --------------------------------

The administration has followed its near silence over
Iran in June 2009 and its wavering on Egypt last
month with days of silence on Libya. Finally the
president has spoken and said next to nothing.
For a superpower this is an embarrassment.
Belgium and Luxembourg can consult and coordinate
and monitor; can we do no more? How about sending
Stuart Levey (leaving Treasury soon but still there)
off to get freezes on all Qaddafi family assets? ...
How about demanding indictments of Qaddafi for
war crimes right now?...

I guess the good news is that Obama isn't hauling
the US before the Human Rights council for vilification
by every tin horn dictator in the world.

 

[DC Vol]

I wonder if Bush had left Saddam in power he would have been overthrown as well. As well as the govt in Afghanistan, without the U.S. firing a shot.

Sunni is the most common subset of Islam, but in Iraq and Iran it's a minority. Saddam, when he took power, brutally wrested it away from Shi'a, Kurd and Chaldean partitions. He killed (estimated) millions of his own citizens in the decades of his rule in uprisings alone. This isn't counting the actions of his secret police.

If something like this happened in Iraq the Sunni minority (of which Saddam was a member) would not peacefully give in to a democracy. Pretty much the same thing that has been happening in Iraq for the last 5 years. Once Saddam was found and executed it was clear to the Sunni that their time was over.

Libya, as a contrast, has a relatively homogeneous population of mostly Arab Sunni Muslims. A few berber sprinkled in there. Egypt, of their 91% Muslim majority are almost all Sunni.

Iraq would not just wrest a dictator, but it would also deal with the decades of civil strife that have been bubbling with an oppressed majority. Iran would also play a role here as their majority (Shi'a) would benefit from ensuring Shi'a rule in Iran. It would have probably been far worse than we've seen in the last 5 years (estimated 150,000-200,000 dead).

 

[gsvol]

Latest developements:

Swiss freeze Gadhafi assets, cite risk of misuse of funds - The Globe and Mail

Switzerland today froze the Swiss assets of
Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, and his group,
barring the sale of any holdings to avert
any potential misuse of state funds.

Which US Banks Are Managing Billions For The $32 Billion Libyan Sovereign Wealth Fund? | zero hedge

.....we next look at something far more
important, .....we find that the Libyan
Sovereign Wealth Fund (Libyan Investment
Authority, or LIA), whose holdings were
first dissected on Zero Hedge, and whose
AUM is supposedly a massive $32 billion,
has "several American banks each
managing USD 300-500 million of
the LIA's funds."

Perhaps now that UniCredit has plunged by
12% in the past few days due to the
recognition of Libya's involvement in
the bank it is time for the US banks
who manage billions in capital for the
LIA, to step up.

Wonder if Obama and Holder will do anything??

Gaddafi's Private Plane, Reportedly Loaded With Gold, Ready To Leave For Zimbabwe As Early As Tomorrow | zero hedge

"Gaddafi's own private plane is loaded
with gold bullion and lots of hard
currency, mainly dollars, and is
preparing to flee to Zimbabwe to stay
there with his friend Robert Mugabe."