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THAT is a can of worms I am not going to open.

But, I will say, we are the least generous nation per capita regarding aid. If that was your meaning.

I was being serious though in my last post. I take it from your response your answer was when we signed the DoI?
It began with the first continental congress imo.
 
We have a common goal. Protecting individual rights.

Who are you referring to as "we"? The left is antagonistic toward wealth and property rights, conscience/religious expression rights, free speech rights, gun rights, the right to live,... I'm not sure WE share common goals with them.
 
Who are you referring to as "we"? The left is antagonistic toward wealth and property rights, conscience/religious expression rights, free speech rights, gun rights, the right to live,... I'm not sure WE share common goals with them.

The forces of liberty (vice reaction) are responsible for all those rights, btw.

Although I'm not sure who first enunciated "the right to live."
 
The forces of liberty (vice reaction) are responsible for all those rights, btw.

Although I'm not sure who first enunciated "the right to live."
The recognition of Natural Law is repsonsible for those rights.
 
Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

I think we deserve whatever punishment history has in store for us. Our culture is debauched, our politics less than infantile, our divorce from the real world so absolute, we are richly deserving of history's censure.

Your confession is appreciated... now if you would just repent from the ideals you continue to hold that put us in that mess.
 
Who are you referring to as "we"? The left is antagonistic toward wealth and property rights, conscience/religious expression rights, free speech rights, gun rights, the right to live,... I'm not sure WE share common goals with them.

there is no LEFT in this country! look out your backdoor at the gorilla tramping down your petunias
 
This is stupid. What does "regarding aid" even mean?

Our foreign aid to other countries is among the lowest per capita in the advanced world.

I'm not sure if Lexvol believed we heavily subsidized other economies. In truth, the exact opposite is generally true. Dumenil and Levy have done an enormous amount of research on the "foreign tribute" that has flowed into US coffers.

Love your new punctuation police hat!
 
The forces of liberty (vice reaction) are responsible for all those rights, btw.
The founders said it was God, Nature's God, or "Natural Law" (that which is reasonable to sustain freedom)...

What "forces of liberty" are you referring to?

Although I'm not sure who first enunciated "the right to live."

Pretty sure it was Jefferson and pals as it pertains to this argument but Locke and numerous others before them did as well in the name of indivdual rights and freedom:

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

Sounds like some pretty vitriolic rhetoric, huh?

Some of those complaints sound oddly familiar too.
 
"Toning it down" requires limiting speech.

"Suppressing" requires limiting speech.

What part of "limiting speech" don't you understand?

I say be quiet.....you say STFU.

Limiting speech by law is not a good thing. Choosing your words more carefully so that you receive more respect from your peers is admirable. The problem is that there is a certain segment of the population that gives respect to those who say outlandish things with which they agree.
 
Limiting speech by law is not a good thing. Choosing your words more carefully so that you receive more respect from your peers is admirable. The problem is that there is a certain segment of the population that gives respect to those who say outlandish things with which they agree.

Yes. If you are concerned about "vitriol and rhetoric" then you change it by influencing those on your side... not be throwing false accusations at the other.
 
It can be.

I'm pretty sure it does. "Hate speech", as an example, means whatever the left thinks it should mean. It's already put us on the slippery slope we're on now where we're discussing what right leaning people should be able to say or not. The left can say pretty much whatever it wants.
 
Capitalism is detrimental to the greater good of the people. Capitalist pigs force you to live in slums while they fill their bellies with food they have stolen from your children. Follow us comrades in the defeat of the Capitalist scum. We will take their money and we will distribute it to the masses. Our goals will be your goals. We will insure that you never want, never hunger. We will fight for equality. Everyone will be the same.


I'm practicing my speech writing abilities. How did I do?
 
The founders said it was God, Nature's God, or "Natural Law" (that which is reasonable to sustain freedom)...

What "forces of liberty" are you referring to?



Pretty sure it was Jefferson and pals as it pertains to this argument but Locke and numerous others before them did as well in the name of indivdual rights and freedom:



Sounds like some pretty vitriolic rhetoric, huh?

Some of those complaints sound oddly familiar too.

But its not nice to go against oppression. We should just all lay down and take it. After all, they only want is whats best for us
 
But its not nice to go against oppression. We should just all lay down and take it. After all, they only want is whats best for us

In 100 years (maybe less), anti-government speech will get you 5 years (maybe more) in prison. The (former) U.S. Constitution will have been burned because it was seen as propaganda against government control (having a copy in your possession will get you shot on sight).

Mark it on the calendar.
 
Our foreign aid to other countries is among the lowest per capita in the advanced world.

I'm not sure if Lexvol believed we heavily subsidized other economies. In truth, the exact opposite is generally true. Dumenil and Levy have done an enormous amount of research on the "foreign tribute" that has flowed into US coffers.

Love your new punctuation police hat!

per capita aid is a fantastic stat. Forget that people have to pay for stuff with actual money, per capita dollars make the world go round. Foreign aid is hardly encompassing. Aid and giving are a different animal altogether, but don't let that intrude upon another of your half baked stats and some researcher name tossing.
 
per capita aid is a fantastic stat. Forget that people have to pay for stuff with actual money, per capita dollars make the world go round. Foreign aid is hardly encompassing. Aid and giving are a different animal altogether, but don't let that intrude upon another of your half baked stats and some researcher name tossing.
I was talking about consumption, but about halfway through a reply....I figured "why bother"
 
per capita aid is a fantastic stat. Forget that people have to pay for stuff with actual money, per capita dollars make the world go round. Foreign aid is hardly encompassing. Aid and giving are a different animal altogether, but don't let that intrude upon another of your half baked stats and some researcher name tossing.

of course he'll be the first to tell you per capita income is an absurd way to value a country's standard of living.
 
of course he'll be the first to tell you per capita income is an absurd way to value a country's standard of living.

picking and choosing statistical gibberish without ever giving thought to data collection is senseless. We can all scour the world for stats that support our POV. Reason is the hard part, and seems especially hard for the academic goofery that gibbs shows.
 
I was talking about consumption, but about halfway through a reply....I figured "why bother"

Oh, if you don't find it entertaining, and I tend to, then I agree with punting. Convoluted silliness concluding in some GSM style lunacy and woodshed lore entertains me greatly.
 
picking and choosing statistical gibberish without ever giving thought to data collection is senseless. We can all scour the world for stats that support our POV. Reason is the hard part, and seems especially hard for the academic goofery that gibbs shows.

In 1995, we had a per capita murder rate that ranked us #2 in the U.S. Ahead of places like Detroit, New York, etc. A little town of 50,000 then.
 
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