Why Private Health Care doesn't work

#102
#102
Still makes no sense. If you can't trust multiple orgs, why would trust one, behemoth org?
 
#103
#103
utgibbs said:
It is wonderfully more efficient, I agree. And the data is conclusive and unambiguous.

You seem dangerously close (well, you've crossed the line) into proving my points before Christmas regarding authentic democracy. I can always count on y'all to prove my points for me. Why? Because the real world is the final arbiter. Thankee :hi:
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:blink:

alrighty then
 
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#105
droski said:
link?
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How do you link to general consensus? But here is as close to a synopsis as can be had, from the prime promulgator himself, Mr Greenspan:

Word for Word/'Greenspan Shrugged' - When Greed Was a Virtue And Regulation the Enemy - NYTimes.com

Of course, the article is more about Greenspan's confessional of being wrong all those many years, but the point should be taken.

Given his prominence, his high priest role, it is clear "greed as virtue" has been thoroughly believed by the ruling class (not the same as the elected class) over the last 40 years.
 
#106
#106
utgibbs said:
It is wonderfully more efficient, I agree. And the data is conclusive and unambiguous.

You seem dangerously close (well, you've crossed the line) into proving my points before Christmas regarding authentic democracy. I can always count on y'all to prove my points for me. Why? Because the real world is the final arbiter. Thankee :hi:
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yeah it's so more efficient that 90% of all the worlds medical advances come from the countries without universal healthcare.
 
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#107
bam15 said:
Still makes no sense. If you can't trust multiple orgs, why would trust one, behemoth org?
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Easier to hold to account would be one.

The incentive for prevention, self-reliance, and education is another.

They are not the same types of organizations for a third.

But, most importantly, over 50 years of data from dozens of population sized models from the the real world bear it out.

LOTS of reasons, actually.
 
#108
#108
droski said:
yeah it's so more efficient that 90% of all the worlds medical advances come from the countries without universal healthcare.
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which is because they can make money off of it which leads to greed. GSM
 
#109
#109
utgibbs said:
How do you link to general consensus? But here is as close to a synopsis as can be had, from the prime promulgator himself, Mr Greenspan:

Word for Word/'Greenspan Shrugged' - When Greed Was a Virtue And Regulation the Enemy - NYTimes.com

Of course, the article is more about Greenspan's confessional of being wrong all those many years, but the point should be taken.

Given his prominence, his high priest role, it is clear "greed as virtue" has been thoroughly believed by the ruling class (not the same as the elected class) over the last 40 years.
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so some 80 year old intelectual whose name sadly most people in this world probably wouldn't recognize is driving public sentiment for the rest of the world?
 
#110
#110
droski said:
yeah it's so more efficient that 90% of all the worlds medical advances come from the countries without universal healthcare.
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It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

Even in the US, most medical advances are funded by the public.
 
#112
#112
utvolpj said:
which is because they can make money off of it which leads to greed. GSM
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It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know for sure, that just ain't so.

Might should have waited before you fired blind, pj.
 
#116
#116
utgibbs said:
Easier to hold to account would be one.

The incentive for prevention, self-reliance, and education is another.

They are not the same types of organizations for a third.

But, most importantly, over 50 years of data from dozens of population sized models from the the real world bear it out.

LOTS of reasons, actually.
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How's that?

If my tax dollars are being blown can I refuse to pay them as an act of holding them accountable?

Would the government stand for that? No.
 
#117
#117
utgibbs said:
How do you link to general consensus? But here is as close to a synopsis as can be had, from the prime promulgator himself, Mr Greenspan:

Word for Word/'Greenspan Shrugged' - When Greed Was a Virtue And Regulation the Enemy - NYTimes.com

Of course, the article is more about Greenspan's confessional of being wrong all those many years, but the point should be taken.

Given his prominence, his high priest role, it is clear "greed as virtue" has been thoroughly believed by the ruling class (not the same as the elected class) over the last 40 years.
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Quite a leap (real world I guess).

Nothing in there suggests greed is condoned. In fact Greeny was arguing earlier that business needed little regulation because market forces punished greedy behavior. He changed his because:

Mr. Greenspan also said: ''It is not that humans have become any more greedy than in generations past. It is that the avenues to express greed had grown so enormously.''
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No where does he indicate the attitude towards greed has changed. In fact the opposite. He was not promoting it before and he is not now.
 
#118
#118
droski said:
so some 80 year old intelectual whose name sadly most people in this world probably wouldn't recognize is driving public sentiment for the rest of the world?
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:lolabove:

Driving sentiment for the dominant culture, yes.

Try as you might, Maestro, is as good a representative of the dominant culture one could put forward.

You have failed to win your argument. I have won mine. In VolNation terms that's GSM.
 
#120
#120
volinbham said:
Quite a leap (real world I guess).

Nothing in there suggests greed is condoned. In fact Greeny was arguing earlier that business needed little regulation because market forces punished greedy behavior. He changed his because:



No where does he indicate the attitude towards greed has changed. In fact the opposite. He was not promoting it before and he is not now.
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I guess you missed all that "Greed is virtue" stuff in the article. Y'all are really stretched thin now. Reading "Atlas Shrugged" in manuscript. The very title of the article. Easy stuff to miss?

The argument has been comprehensively won.
 
#121
#121
utgibbs said:
:lolabove:

Driving sentiment for the dominant culture, yes.

Try as you might, Maestro, is as good a representative of the dominant culture one could put forward.

You have failed to win your argument. I have won mine. In VolNation terms that's GSM.
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have you actually even listened to the man? i assure you most people change the channel when he is on.
 
#122
#122
utgibbs said:
I guess you missed all that "Greed is virtue" stuff in the article. Y'all are really stretched thin now.

The argument has been comprehensively won.
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Clearly the one article is all that is necessary to win "comprehensively".

I'd like my top 5 list now.
 
#123
#123
utgibbs said:
:lolabove:

Driving sentiment for the dominant culture, yes.

Try as you might, Maestro, is as good a representative of the dominant culture one could put forward.

You have failed to win your argument. I have won mine. In VolNation terms that's GSM.
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One of these iambruce victories?
 
#125
#125
utgibbs said:
Easier to hold to account would be one.

The incentive for prevention, self-reliance, and education is another.

They are not the same types of organizations for a third.

But, most importantly, over 50 years of data from dozens of population sized models from the the real world bear it out.

LOTS of reasons, actually.
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In theory.

If the one org also so happens to hold jurisdiction and authority over every legal matter, then they can also set the standard for accountability.

I think it's pretty obvious. People are abusing systems such as the NHS as is. Most of the data is applicable to tiny countries and Social Democracies. The United States is much larger than any of these nations. I think it's also common sense that more = downgrade in quality.
 
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