1st String and 2nd String QB getting equal reps in practice a bad thing?

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Per GoVols.com

Chaney said the learning curve won't be as sharp for Bray as it maybe would be if he were the coach. Chaney said coach Derek Dooley has mandated that the first- and second-string quarterback receive nearly equal repetitions during practice, something Chaney typically hasn't been accustomed to.
"Coach is a little more for the two getting adequate reps," Chaney said. "So it hasn't been that big of a change."
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Anyone have a problem with Simms getting the exact number of reps during practice as Bray? I could see how it would be beneficial to have both QB's getting a good number of reps during practice. I wonder if Dooley will change this policy if Bray plays lights out and grabs the QB reins once and for all.
 
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This is why it is so important for one of them to step up and take the starting job for good. This one makes it harder for them both to be ready on gameday.

I for one am not a fan of this method.
 
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phowell23 said:
Per GoVols.com



Anyone have a problem with Simms getting the exact number of reps during practice as Bray? I could see how it would be beneficial to have both QB's getting a good number of reps during practice. I wonder if Dooley will change this policy if Bray plays lights out and grabs the QB reins once and for all.
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the only negative I see is that it will continue to limit Bray grasping even more of the offense. just slows down execution reps.
 
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pretty sure Dooley said that Simms would probably play this week so it makes sense if you're going to switch qb's. Plus it could keep a recently pulled QB's head in the game more
 
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utvolpj said:
pretty sure Dooley said that Simms would probably play this week so it makes sense if you're going to switch qb's. Plus it could keep a recently pulled QB's head in the game more
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Don't think he said that
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Ericvol2096 said:
This is why it is so important for one of them to step up and take the starting job for good. This one makes it harder for them both to be ready on gameday.

I for one am not a fan of this method.
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Yes, I'm really hoping Bray does very well when he's in there as starting QB. We really need someone to take control of the QB position and get all of the 1st team reps during practice. It's hard to teach them new things when they only get a certain number of reps.
 
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I heard on the practice report on 99.1 yesterday afternoon that Dooley likes to split the first team reps with the QBs 60/40. FYI.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
Don't think he said that
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he mentioned it was a possibility (from Monday)

It's just that's the decision we're making, and it may be four series into the game or three series into the game that we've got to go to Matt. So we'll just let the game dictate that and see how Tyler handles the starting role. That's about it on personnel.
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Neither one of them are gonna make much of a move splitting time. I understand wanting both ready to play. IMO you need to pick one and go on at this point. Both will make bad decisions and plays, and either one needs to work through it.
 
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I think if you are fairly certain who you are going to start (which we obviously are since we named Bray starter) your ration should be more 75/25
 
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So I'm wondering now if he's going to insert Simms into the game as he has Bray over the past few games?
 
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Sooo, why didn't anyone bring this up before Bray was named as the starter? They were splitting reps then as well.
 
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Well if bray lights it up and makes no turnovers I dont see the need for Simms to come in...well maybe in the 4th when it's 41-7
 
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YorkVol said:
Sooo, why didn't anyone bring this up before Bray was named as the starter? They were splitting reps then as well.
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I think it's being brought up now because some were wondering how the passing offense will change with Bray. It sounds as if Chaney wants Bray to take the next step forward but it's hard to get him there until he gets more reps in practice.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
I think if you are fairly certain who you are going to start (which we obviously are since we named Bray starter) your ration should be more 75/25
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If we'd done that all year, then Bray likely wouldn't be ready to start now.

I think splitting reps 60/40 is a perfectly logical thing to do if you've got two guys who are close in ability and low on experience and you don't know which one you're gonna have to rely on. Especially if you're backup will have to be the guy in a year or so, regardless.

We're one snap away from only having only one of them, and that's especially true with a line that's giving up a lot of sacks/hits on the QB. If you don't have significant practice time in with the backup and he becomes the man, you'd then be in bad shape.

People seem to be assuming that Bray will take the reins and put a lot of distance between himself and Simms. I hope for the best, but am not so sure of that. Very good chance we're still gonna need Simms, and soon. Just like with the team overall, this is a process and improvement for both will be gradual. There's no switch to flip.
 
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Unless Bray just forces a bunch of garbage in the last few games or gets hurt i don't see Simms getting back on the field. We know what he can and can't do, time to see if Bray can manage a whole game. I think he'll be fine and Matt should probably get used to his new role. Reps are about right though, maybe 70/30 would be a better number, but i don't see it being that big a deal.
 
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phowell23 said:
So I'm wondering now if he's going to insert Simms into the game as he has Bray over the past few games?
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depends. if bray has some 3 and outs, say 2 of first 3 series than he likely will switch. really depends on how the offense responds
 
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phowell23 said:
I think it's being brought up now because some were wondering how the passing offense will change with Bray. It sounds as if Chaney wants Bray to take the next step forward but it's hard to get him there until he gets more reps in practice.
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at this point, there are less passing options (plays to call) with Bray than with Simms. just a knowledge of the offense thing.

then when you throw in the freshmen WRs and stick Stone in at center, even less options available...
 
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winchestervol63 said:
If we'd done that all year, then Bray likely wouldn't be ready to start now.

I think splitting reps 60/40 is a perfectly logical thing to do if you've got two guys who are close in ability and low on experience and you don't know which one you're gonna have to rely on. Especially if you're backup will have to be the guy in a year or so, regardless.

We're one snap away from only having only one of them, and that's especially true with a line that's giving up a lot of sacks/hits on the QB. If you don't have significant practice time in with the backup and he becomes the man, you'd then be in bad shape.

People seem to be assuming that Bray will take the reins and put a lot of distance between himself and Simms. I hope for the best, but am not so sure of that. Very good chance we're still gonna need Simms, and soon. Just like with the team overall, this is a process and improvement for both will be gradual. There's no switch to flip.
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I agree with everything you said. very valid message there.
 
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OrangeSummit said:
he did say simms would come in if bray struggled early.
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Yep, CDD said it the coaching approach would be just like for South Carolina - let the game play out and if the first guy isn't moving the sticks and scoring points, then you may go with the next guy after 2-3 series. Said that until one of them makes it clear from his play that he belongs on the field for the whole game, that the process would continue in this same manner.

I agree with it completely - I don't think you just make an arbitrary decision about who plays for the sake of having just one guy and I think the QB who gets to a point where he is consistently playing well will gradually become the guy. Noone on earth, including the two QB's, Chaney, CDD, nor anyone on this board knows which one it'll be at this point. It'll just have to play out.

I'm not so sure about the knock on Simms about holding the ball too long (although you can't fumble it, that's for sure). Bray took the same # of sacks against SoCar on fewer snaps, for instance.

Further, we could see some different dynamics as the OLine matures AND the D-Line talent we're playing against declines. If the QB's have an extra second or two, we may see one of the two emerge more clearly and the one you want in the game for four quarters. We really have very little idea how either will play if he's got some time to throw the ball, imo.
 
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I appreciate that everyone has an opinion, but I will defer to the coach's judgment since he is with them at practice, is accountable for success or failure.
 
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