How to win on X and goal from the 1 foot line with 00:00

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There are a few situations in football that merit flagrant penalties. For example there is absutely no reason not to horse collar, facemask, trip, kick, or punch a player returning a 2-point conversion attempt the other way. One day I would love to see a quarterback heave his helmet at said interception returner and knock him off his feet... 15 yard penalty on the kickoff - big deal.

Our Vols were faced with such a situation after we won the game Saturday. The proper gameplan:

1. Put every 2nd stringer in on D
2. The instant the O-line is set the entire D-line bullrushes the O-line, and the linebackers go Waterboy style at the quarterback before they can attempt a snap (or better yet they do snap it and get destroyed)
3. Earn several penalties ranging between 2 and 12 inches
4. Make the O-line jump by faking the bullrush (or better yet piss them off enough to commit a personal foul)
5. Send the first string D in to make one stop on 4th and 5 against an abused offense.
6. Hold them, game over

Maybe next time. I hate that this happened, but these Vols are reminding of the late 80's A LOT! And I love watching every minute they play. GBO
 
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Section KK said:
There are a few situations in football that merit flagrant penalties. For example there is absutely no reason not to horse collar, facemask, trip, kick, or punch a player returning a 2-point conversion attempt the other way. One day I would love to see a quarterback heave his helmet at said interception returner and knock him off his feet... 15 yard penalty on the kickoff - big deal.

Our Vols were faced with such a situation after we won the game Saturday. The proper gameplan:

1. Put every 2nd stringer in on D
2. The instant the O-line is set the entire D-line bullrushes the O-line, and the linebackers go Waterboy style at the quarterback before they can attempt a snap (or better yet they do snap it and get destroyed)
3. Earn several penalties ranging between 2 and 12 inches
4. Make the O-line jump by faking the bullrush (or better yet piss them off enough to commit a personal foul)
5. Send the first string D in to make one stop on 4th and 5 against an abused offense.
6. Hold them, game over

Maybe next time. I hate that this happened, but these Vols are reminding of the late 80's A LOT! And I love watching every minute they play. GBO
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I'd rather be 0-1 with dignity
 
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There's no loss of dignity when you outcoach your opponent within the set of rules. I'm not even suggesting a personal foul, just simple encroachment. You must be a nice guy crusse... richt seems like a nice guy too.
 
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Section KK said:
There are a few situations in football that merit flagrant penalties. For example there is absutely no reason not to horse collar, facemask, trip, kick, or punch a player returning a 2-point conversion attempt the other way. One day I would love to see a quarterback heave his helmet at said interception returner and knock him off his feet... 15 yard penalty on the kickoff - big deal.

Our Vols were faced with such a situation after we won the game Saturday. The proper gameplan:

1. Put every 2nd stringer in on D
2. The instant the O-line is set the entire D-line bullrushes the O-line, and the linebackers go Waterboy style at the quarterback before they can attempt a snap (or better yet they do snap it and get destroyed)
3. Earn several penalties ranging between 2 and 12 inches
4. Make the O-line jump by faking the bullrush (or better yet piss them off enough to commit a personal foul)
5. Send the first string D in to make one stop on 4th and 5 against an abused offense.
6. Hold them, game over

Maybe next time. I hate that this happened, but these Vols are reminding of the late 80's A LOT! And I love watching every minute they play. GBO
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That's pretty elaborate for a team that can't even get the right amount of people on the field.
 
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Section KK said:
There's no loss of dignity when you outcoach your opponent within the set of rules. I'm not even suggesting a personal foul, just simple encroachment. You must be a nice guy crusse... richt seems like a nice guy too.
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If you gave up a triple in the 9th inning with none out, intentionally walk the next 2 guys to get the forceout. But don't bean the next 2 batters because that's legal.
 
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crusse10 said:
If you gave up a triple in the 9th inning with none out, intentionally walk the next 2 guys to get the forceout. But don't bean the next 2 batters because that's legal.
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Well, you may increase the risk of wild pitch if you do that. And if you're in the pro's and hit two batters in a row, you're gonna be tossed. But anyway, I'm just analyzing, I see the point you were making.
 
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flyfishinvol said:
Well, you may increase the risk of wild pitch if you do that. And if you're in the pro's and hit two batters in a row, you're gonna be tossed. But anyway, I'm just analyzing, I see the point you were making.
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Just a matter of dignity and respect for the game, that's all
 
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crusse10 said:
I'd rather be 0-1 with dignity
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I understand your point and respect it...

But, at least in principle, it's really no different than burning timeouts to ice a kicker, taking a delay of game to eat clock, or in baseball sliding into 2nd to try and kill a double play at first (taking 2nd baseman's legs out after he tags bag). All of these are either a misuse or borderline abuse of rules to gain an advantage. But each example I gave is viewed as -- for the most part -- normal and within the bounds of fair play and sportsmanship.

Just saying...
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crusse10 said:
Just a matter of dignity and respect for the game, that's all
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were you saying this last year when Kiffin was coach? If so, I apologize, but a lot on here weren't... Win at all cost, dignity and respect for the game were second tier.
 
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The Argentinian handball in the WCup comes to mind. In bball, on defense, ill kick a bounce pass in a heartbeat.
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What about defPI to prevent an obvious TDown, or a bball/soccer player throwing the ball into play off the back of an unsuspecting defender?
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Intentionally missing a Fthrow off the rim in order to get the rebound? Every mentioned circumstance is a good play in my book. Throwing the ball off of a defender when going out of bounds together? Do it!
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VolsDeep said:
were you saying this last year when Kiffin was coach? If so, I apologize, but a lot on here weren't... Win at all cost, dignity and respect for the game were second tier.
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Tactics in recruiting, such as saying a recruit's name on air, doesn't bother me. Blatantly penalizing yourself in a classless way on the field of play is different. If Kiffin did that, I missed it.

Think back to the way Wisconsin ended a half against Penn State a few years ago when the weird clock rules were changed regarding kickoffs. Taking advantage of broken rules in such a classless way is absurd. As a fan that openly cheers for the Badgers (when they aren't playing UT), I was very upset with that move by Bielema.

Penn State Nittany Lions vs. Wisconsin Badgers - Recap - November 04, 2006 - ESPN
See: 3rd to last paragraph
 
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crusse10 said:
Tactics in recruiting, such as saying a recruit's name on air, doesn't bother me. Blatantly penalizing yourself in a classless way on the field of play is different. If Kiffin did that, I missed it.

Think back to the way Wisconsin ended a half against Penn State a few years ago when the weird clock rules were changed regarding kickoffs. Taking advantage of broken rules in such a classless way is absurd. As a fan that openly cheers for the Badgers (when they aren't playing UT), I was very upset with that move by Bielema.

Penn State Nittany Lions vs. Wisconsin Badgers - Recap - November 04, 2006 - ESPN
See: 3rd to last paragraph
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That's not what you initially said though. You said winning should not come at the expense of a program's, or individual's, dignity and respect of the game. Kiffin's focus on "winning" in recruiting definitely came at the expense of our program's dignity. You and I both know that the worst of Kiffin's tactics was not when he mentioned a player's name on the radio.
 
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