Does it make you feel any better about Bruce Pearl?

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royboyvol

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First, I am not excusing his infractions. I think he deserves to be punished for breaking the rules, but...

does it make you feel any better by knowing the nature of what he did? I know I would feel much worse about the situation if it had come out that he had paid for a car or forged grade reports or something of that nature rather than having a kid for chips and sodas at his house.

I know for some of you this will be a non-issue because it is only as important as the effect it has on the team, and in that way, it doesn't matter what 'actually' happened. But I've already had a lot of people talk about how Bruce is a cheater and this or that, but it seems easier to defend his actions than it would be were the accusations different. (Obviously, the lying is the biggest deal, but not to opposing fans. They just label him a cheater and move on.)

Thoughts?
 
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royboyvol said:
First, I am not excusing his infractions. I think he deserves to be punished for breaking the rules, but...

does it make you feel any better by knowing the nature of what he did? I know I would feel much worse about the situation if it had come out that he had paid for a car or forged grade reports or something of that nature rather than having a kid for chips and sodas at his house.

I know for some of you this will be a non-issue because it is only as important as the effect it has on the team, and in that way, it doesn't matter what 'actually' happened. But I've already had a lot of people talk about how Bruce is a cheater and this or that, but it seems easier to defend his actions than it would be were the accusations different. (Obviously, the lying is the biggest deal, but not to opposing fans. They just label him a cheater and move on.)

Thoughts?
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I've said essentially this all along, but get hammered for it on VN. People around here aren't known for their cooler heads.
 
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In my mind it's a mistake, a mistake that our hoops program may pay dearly for but that doesn't make Bruce any less of a coach or man. He f'ed up, pretty royally, but who hasn't. I think he is great for a program and the city of Knoxville in general.

Getting rid of him could be the worst mistake in the history of our program. In this day in age everyone is trying to get a competitive edge and as the OP suggests Bruce's way of doing that was bringing the kid to his home for snacks and selling the program and himself. Not by lining his pockets or buying his parents a house.

We pretty much have one of the most perfect fan bases in the country because we sure are quick to get high and mighty when coaches or college kids make mistakes...
 
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As I said on another thread, I think if you look at the violations and lies from an unbiased and objective point of view, it seems like firing would be an unnecessary measure.

Yes, I think you have to take into account the relative severeness of these violations. I agree, having prospects over and burner phones pale in comparison to grade alteration, improper benefits, money, etc.
 
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Pretty sure we're still under investigation...in other words, this isn't over...
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I think we're all aware of that. We're discussing what we know, not speculation.
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What is it that we know?

Hell...we are learning more each day about what Pearl does not know about his house, events, meet and greets....

Based on his lapse in memory, the NCAA are using the big shovels and are busy digging and truning stones. What they uncover will be interesting and quite helpful to getting Pearl over his bout of amnesia.

I will be surprised (and happy) if Pearl can keep this gig.
 
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NEVolFan said:
What is it that we know?

Hell...we are learning more each day about what Pearl does not know about his house, events, meet and greets....

Based on his lapse in memory, the NCAA are using the big shovels and are busy digging and truning stones. What they uncover will be interesting and quite helpful to getting Pearl over his bout of amnesia.

I will be surprised (and happy) if Pearl can keep this gig.
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Like I said, we're focusing on what we know. You didn't offer any new information. Then I said we're not focusing on speculation, but you speculated. What point are you trying to make?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Like I said, we're focusing on what we know. You didn't offer any new information. Then I said we're not focusing on speculation, but you speculated. What point are you trying to make?
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Probably making the point that "focusing on what we know" likely means that we're debating a hypothetical situation, considering that this almost certainly isn't the extent of Pearl's problems.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Like I said, we're focusing on what we know. You didn't offer any new information. Then I said we're not focusing on speculation, but you speculated. What point are you trying to make?
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The point he's trying to make is that it's idiotic to act like Pearl really didn't do anything that bad when there is an excellent chance that we don't know the extent of his misconduct. You can't, with any credibility, say whether or not you think what Pearl did was bad or not so bad with the threat of future violations looming.
 
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VKAman said:
Probably making the point that "focusing on what we know" likely means that we're debating a hypothetical situation, considering that this almost certainly isn't the extent of Pearl's problems.
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Are you serious? I'm saying that I'm not talking about anything hypothetical, but I am talking about "what we know". Speculation is BASED OFF OF what we know, but we don't know for sure. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED SPECULATION.
 
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LawVol13 said:
The point he's trying to make is that it's idiotic to act like Pearl really didn't do anything that bad when there is an excellent chance that we don't know the extent of his misconduct. You can't, with any credibility, say whether or not you think what Pearl did was bad or not so bad with the threat of future violations looming.
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What?! So I can't credibly say that I think it's bad the staff committed violations and that Pearl lied? That statement is completely null and void? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
"When there's an excellent chance we don't know the extent of his misconduct" is the opening to a speculation, which is not what I'm discussing as I said in my first post.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
What?! So I can't credibly say that I think it's bad the staff committed violations and that Pearl lied? That statement is completely null and void? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
"When there's an excellent chance we don't know the extent of his misconduct" is the opening to a speculation, which is not what I'm discussing as I said in my first post.
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Maybe you're just incredibly dense. You cannot properly evaluate this situation and how you feel about Pearl until we know the extent of what the NCAA finds. How that's hard to understand, I'm not sure.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Are you serious? I'm saying that I'm not talking about anything hypothetical, but I am talking about "what we know". Speculation is BASED OFF OF what we know, but we don't know for sure. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED SPECULATION.
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You seem to be debating how he should be punished if this is the extent of his wrongdoing. But considering that there's about a 90% chance this isn't the full extent of it, debating what would happen if "all he did was have a recruit over" is pretty much a waste of time. New info has come out even since this thread was posted earlier today.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Maybe you're just incredibly dense. You cannot properly evaluate this situation and how you feel about Pearl until we know the extent of what the NCAA finds. How that's hard to understand, I'm not sure.
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No, I understand what you're saying. What I've been saying this whole time is that the opinions I have expressed only concern what has happened: the violations, the lies. In fact, it increases my credibility in the sense that I am only discussing what has already happened and what is true. I'm not making predictions of what's going to happen and what will come of our coaches EXCEPT that I still support Pearl after all of this (remember "all of this" is what has already happened and what we know). I've said the exact same thing in all of these posts.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Maybe you're just incredibly dense. You cannot properly evaluate this situation and how you feel about Pearl until we know the extent of what the NCAA finds. How that's hard to understand, I'm not sure.
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Holy crap, dude. It's not a million dollar question. The OP is just wondering what people think about what has been reported.

If something else is uncovered in a week or in 24 hours I'm sure the OP and about 25 others will start another thread exactly like this one.

In regards to the OP, no it's not that serious as it stands, IMO.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
No, I understand what you're saying. What I've been saying this whole time is that the opinions I have expressed only concern what has happened: the violations, the lies. In fact, it increases my credibility in the sense that I am only discussing what has already happened and what is true. I'm not making predictions of what's going to happen and what will come of our coaches EXCEPT that I still support Pearl after all of this (remember "all of this" is what has already happened and what we know). I've said the exact same thing in all of these posts.
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You really don't get it. The entire point is that we don't know what happened yet. We will find that out in February. So, no, it doesn't "increase your credibility" by saying that Bruce shouldn't be fired for what happened because you don't know what happened.
 
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LawVol13 said:
You really don't get it. The entire point is that we don't know what happened yet. We will find that out in February. So, no, it doesn't "increase your credibility" by saying that Bruce shouldn't be fired for what happened because you don't know what happened.
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And neither do you, so quit with your garbage.

You know the garbage like:

I know that Bruce Pearl has cheated all along because there are well documented posts on this board that say he has helped alter Ramar's transcript and other violations.
 
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LawVol13 said:
You really don't get it. The entire point is that we don't know what happened yet. We will find that out in February. So, no, it doesn't "increase your credibility" by saying that Bruce shouldn't be fired for what happened because you don't know what happened.
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I understood the point you made from your first post, and you have a perfectly valid argument for what you're saying. I'm just not considering the possible future troubles for the coaches like you are. I understand that this entire situation hasn't unraveled yet. I UNDERSTAND THAT. Like I said, and what you just highlighted from my previous post, I was only taking into consideration what has already happened and I'm NOT taking into consideration what may happen in the future.

If you keep ignoring the point I'm making and keep challenging it, I'm going to keep saying the same thing, like I've been doing this whole time.
 
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VKAman said:
You seem to be debating how he should be punished if this is the extent of his wrongdoing. But considering that there's about a 90% chance this isn't the full extent of it, debating what would happen if "all he did was have a recruit over" is pretty much a waste of time. New info has come out even since this thread was posted earlier today.
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Correct. I certainly don't know if there will be more bad stuff or not, but I do know that it hasn't been reported yet and that it's not over yet. For this reason, I'm considering only what's happened so far. A lot of people make the argument that he should be fired based on what's happened so far, and they have no more of a clue than any of us do as to what the full extent of this fiasco is. So, is it wrong for me to for me to formulate an opinion, based on the exact same criteria, of the opposite side?
 
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royboyvol said:
First, I am not excusing his infractions. I think he deserves to be punished for breaking the rules, but...

does it make you feel any better by knowing the nature of what he did?

Thoughts?
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The nature of what we know is absolutely nothing. Until the NCAA submits their report, this conversation is futile.
 
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LawVol13 said:
It's amazing that some of the idiots on here don't see that.
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I don't understand your deal. You seem to not be a moron and offer reasonable opinions, but you will not accept, let alone hear, anyone's who you disagree with.

LawVol's tried and true last resort: calling people idiots and stupid.
 
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tvols75 said:
And neither do you, so quit with your garbage.

You know the garbage like:

I know that Bruce Pearl has cheated all along because there are well documented posts on this board that say he has helped alter Ramar's transcript and other violations.
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Prove it.
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