Israel confronts flotilla

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Burhead said:
In all likely hood yes, for what ever reason people are anti-Israeli and that won't change. Israel is fighting daily to preserve its democratic and free way of life against the terrorists that would love to drive them into the sea. In the past people have smuggled weapons into the Gaza Strip using boats and underground tunnels so the Israelis are being proactive in their defense of their ideals.
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Everyone in the world knew what was on that ship. Even the Israelis. There's another ship on the way called "the Rachel Corrie"... also carrying humanitarian supplies.

I'll bet you the Israelis don't storm that ship after the PR disaster on their hands...
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Everyone in the world knew what was on that ship. Even the Israelis. There's another ship on the way called "the Rachel Corrie"... also carrying humanitarian supplies.

I'll bet you the Israelis don't storm that ship after the PR disaster on their hands...
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Since your so certain what was on the "aid" ships? All this is, is a publicity stunt to win international support for the cause of Hamas and the "Poor Palestinians"

You know what? I hope the IDF boards the other ship coming in, why doesn't anyone ever offer aid to the Israelis? Aren't they victims too? Do you ever hear of the international outcry when Israeli school children are murdered in cold blood by Hamas terrorists?
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Everyone in the world knew what was on that ship. Even the Israelis. There's another ship on the way called "the Rachel Corrie"... also carrying humanitarian supplies.

I'll bet you the Israelis don't storm that ship after the PR disaster on their hands...
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If they are allowed to screen the shipment it will go through peacefully. Every ship delivering goods to Gaza goes through this process, Israel offered to do the same with these ships but they refused.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Everyone in the world knew what was on that ship. Even the Israelis. There's another ship on the way called "the Rachel Corrie"... also carrying humanitarian supplies.

I'll bet you the Israelis don't storm that ship after the PR disaster on their hands...
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I can almost guarantee you that if they tell the boat to turn around and they ignore them and continue going full steam ahead, the IDF will once again board the vessel. And if once they board the vessel they get shot at again, they will and should return fire.

Does it not smell fishy that 'humanitarians' fire at the IDF instead of letting them inspect all the relief supplies?
 
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KB5252 said:
If they are allowed to screen the shipment it will go through peacefully. Every ship delivering goods to Gaza goes through this process, Israel offered to do the same with these ships but they refused.
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Of course they refuse. It's the whole point of their protest. That Israel has no legal authority to search and seize goods going into Gaza.

They appose and rightfully so imo, the whole collective punishment of the entire people of Gaza.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
I can almost guarantee you that if they tell the boat to turn around and they ignore them and continue going full steam ahead, the IDF will once again board the vessel. And if once they board the vessel they get shot at again, they will and should return fire.

Does it not smell fishy that 'humanitarians' fire at the IDF instead of letting them inspect all the relief supplies?
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If they do they'd be dumb. And dumber to pull it off in international waters again. Spin it how ever you want... it was illegal.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Of course they refuse. It's the whole point of their protest. That Israel has no legal authority to search and seize goods going into Gaza.

They appose and rightfully so imo, the whole collective punishment of the entire people of Gaza.
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So you don't think Israel has the right to try and keep weapons from Gaza when it is controlled by a terrorist organization?

When the people of Gaza run off the terrorists who control the government there they will no longer need to worry about blockades.
 
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KB5252 said:
So you don't think Israel has the right to try and keep weapons from Gaza when it is controlled by a terrorist organization?
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Bro, there were no weapons. It was foreign activists who believe the blockade of Gaza is unjust. Israel blocking off the main necessities of life for the citizens of Gaza is wrong imo.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Bro, there were no weapons. It was foreign activists who believe the blockade of Gaza is unjust. Israel blocking off the main necessities of life for the citizens of Gaza is wrong imo.
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just because there were no weapons on that ship, that doesn't mean that this isn't a common way for them to smuggle weapons into the country. it's ridiculous to imply that the support here is usually 100% humanitarian.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Of course they refuse. It's the whole point of their protest. That Israel has no legal authority to search and seize goods going into Gaza.

They appose and rightfully so imo, the whole collective punishment of the entire people of Gaza.
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Because you oppose the blockade, you apparently see no problem whatsoever with actions of the "protestors". Is that correct?
 
#63
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Nice little article for those of you who disagree with Israel.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDMwNjQ0ZWFhMDU3NzFkOTZiNmVmMjQ1M2RlMTc5MDM=
 
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volinbham said:
Because you oppose the blockade, you apparently see no problem whatsoever with actions of the "protestors". Is that correct?
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Yes, that is correct. The blockade is illegal and immoral imo.

But this act in particular was a violation of international law. That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
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It's all fun and games until Israel finally gets pissed off enough to get all 6 Day War style up in that mammajamma.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Yes, that is correct. The blockade is illegal and immoral imo.

But this act in particular was a violation of international law. That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
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This is from the San Remo Manual on International Law. International Humanitarian Law - San Remo Manual 1994

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy's armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.
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So how exactly is this in violation of international law?
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Bro, there were no weapons. It was foreign activists who believe the blockade of Gaza is unjust. Israel blocking off the main necessities of life for the citizens of Gaza is wrong imo.
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Not on this ship, you have stated multiple times you are against any blockade. The blockade is in place to prevent weapons from being smuggled in, all shipments are subject to search, if they are free of weapons they are allowed to pass and given to the people of Gaza. As much as you try to separate the two they are invariably intertwined.

Your comment about blocking main necessities is wrong, there are tons of materials and goods flowing into Gaza every day. There is no humanitarian emergency. I guess you are also against the sanctions imposed against North Korea? After all so many people are suffering because of them, arguably much more so than the people of Palestine.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Yes, that is correct. The blockade is illegal and immoral imo.

But this act in particular was a violation of international law. That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
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I don't get the immoral piece. Israel is absolutely offering an alternate route to Gaza. Pretending this is the sole route to the refugees or is the sole source of food is absurd.

Appears that your illegal line has been somewhat debunked as well.
 
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This is some of the latest stuff coming out of Israel. Bullet proof vests, night vision goggles and envelopes of cash, not weapons but hardly the staples you'd expect to find in a humanitarian mission. Not to mention some of those on board with possible and or probable ties to terrorist organizations.





IDF: Global Jihad links on flotilla
 
#71
#71
Exactly how many of you guys who unwaveringly support all of Israel's actions do so on religious grounds?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't get the immoral piece. Israel is absolutely offering an alternate route to Gaza. Pretending this is the sole route to the refugees or is the sole source of food is absurd.

Appears that your illegal line has been somewhat debunked as well.
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1. It IS illegal to seize ships in international waters.

2. The alternate "route" to get supplies goes through an Israeli inspection, where anything not appearing on a list of 75 SPECIFIC items is blocked from entering Gaza. Of all the aid a place like Gaza needs, do you really believe they only need 75 different individual items?
 
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IPorange said:
Exactly how many of you guys who unwaveringly support all of Israel's actions do so on religious grounds?
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I do not support Israel because of religious grounds alone. Most in Israel do not believe as I do anyway. I do not and have not supported them in everything they have done over the years either, but then again I don't even agree with my family or wife on every issue either.
 
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IPorange said:
1. It IS illegal to seize ships in international waters.

2. The alternate "route" to get supplies goes through an Israeli inspection, where anything not appearing on a list of 75 SPECIFIC items is blocked from entering Gaza. Of all the aid a place like Gaza needs, do you really believe they only need 75 different individual items?
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According to the law posted earlier there are exceptions and this flotilla apparently would fall under that category.

I went and did some research on the items allowed into Gaza and the most often used number I've seen was 81. I found it interesting that of all these different blogs and news sites I saw this from it was always copied almost word for word from the original Al Jazeera (in English) article, I would hardly consider Al J a credible source. I also saw many articles from Israeli sites that disputed these claims.
 
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