Israel confronts flotilla

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BoseefusTheVol said:
A clear violation of international law... period. They were in international waters.

The people on that boat were on a humanitarian mission challenging another illegal and inhumane blockade of Gaza.

That's how I see it.
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They fully knew they were running an already announced blockade, they knew fully well that the IDF would challenge and board said ships. It was clearly a set up to get sympathy points from the international community for Hamas and other terrorist groups in Gaza. I have no problem whats so ever with the Israelis doing what they need to do to defend their homeland.
 
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Burhead said:
They fully knew they were running an already announced blockade, they knew fully well that the IDF would challenge and board said ships. It was clearly a set up to get sympathy points from the international community for Hamas and other terrorist groups in Gaza. I have no problem whats so ever with the Israelis doing what they need to do to defend their homeland.
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The Mediterranean is not a lake in Israel.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
The Mediterranean is not a lake in Israel.
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Who said it was, what this flotilla did do however was tell another nation they were going to defy their orders and do as they wished without having the cargo duly inspected.

Do you think the US would allow some group of foreign nationals to drop a few boatloads of whatever without satisfying themselves it was legit first? Come on, you're smarter than this. That convoy wasn't about aid, it was about picking a fight and Israel allowed the fight to happen. The ships should have been headed off or allowed to dock and then confiscated until the cargo was verified.
 
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KB5252 said:
Who said it was, what this flotilla did do however was tell another nation they were going to defy their orders and do as they wished without having the cargo duly inspected.

Do you think the US would allow some group of foreign nationals to drop a few boatloads of whatever without satisfying themselves it was legit first? Come on, you're smarter than this. That convoy wasn't about aid, it was about picking a fight and Israel allowed the fight to happen. The ships should have been headed off or allowed to dock and then confiscated until the cargo was verified.
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I respect your opinion, but I fail to see how Israel can morally justify what it did. I just can't.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
The Mediterranean is not a lake in Israel.
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And what if turns out that there was weapons on those "aid" ships? Those weapons would have been turned over to Hamas and used to kill school children. This is nothing more then a group wanting to get bad press for Israel. If they were truly looking to aid the Palestinians then they would have allowed the IDF to inspect said ships without conflict and follow the orders of the Israeli blockade.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
I respect your opinion, but I fail to see how Israel can morally justify what it did. I just can't.
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You mean boarding a ship that publicly announced it's intentions to ignore their warnings? I for one only hope my country would do the same, I imagine if you were completely honest with yourself you'd admit you feel the same way.
 
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Burhead said:
And what if turns out that there was weapons on those "aid" ships? Those weapons would have been turned over to Hamas and used to kill school children. This is nothing more then a group wanting to get bad press for Israel. If they were truly looking to aid the Palestinians then they would have allowed the IDF to inspect said ships without conflict and follow the orders of the Israeli blockade.
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So the British, Australian, Swedish, Canadian, Turkish, Malaysian, Serbian, Irish, Kuwaiti, ... etc, including some fellow American citizens were smuggling weapons?
 
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KB5252 said:
You mean boarding a ship that publicly announced it's intentions to ignore their warnings? I for one only hope my country would do the same, I imagine if you were completely honest with yourself you'd admit you feel the same way.
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I respect your opinion, but I definitely would not want my country to do the same thing the Israelis did.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
So the British, Australian, Swedish, Canadian, Turkish, Malaysian, Serbian, Irish, Kuwaiti, ... etc, including some fellow American citizens were smuggling weapons?
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do you honestly think america doesn't have a large contingent who that support smuggling weapons to the palestinians?
 
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droski said:
do you honestly think america doesn't have a large contingent who that support smuggling weapons to the palestinians?
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I honestly don't know if there is or isn't.

This was a PR trip mainly by people who oppose Israel's blockade of Gaza. They thought they'd get near Gaza, the Israelis would block them from getting there, turn ship and sail back and get probably 24 hr PR on an issue that they care about.

Read some of the press in Israel... their gov't is getting blasted by what they decided to do.
 
#40
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as long as Hamas is in control of Gaza, the blockade should remain
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
So the British, Australian, Swedish, Canadian, Turkish, Malaysian, Serbian, Irish, Kuwaiti, ... etc, including some fellow American citizens were smuggling weapons?
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That makes absolute sense, since it was Brits, Aussies, Swedes, etc then theirs no way they could be smuggling weapons. If that's the case why should we even worry about the customs process in the states right?
 
#42
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OrangeEmpire said:
Is it just me or is Israel getting lax on their handling of terrorists/war?

I mean, every thing used to be secret and all and now they just run around whenever they want doing whatever they want...........
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My guess is with that much focus on that region now, I think it's harder to keep things a secret from public media than it used to be


....I also think some terror groups know they can get sympathy and impair Israel through world media pleas and presentations
 
#43
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KB5252 said:
That makes absolute sense, since it was Brits, Aussies, Swedes, etc then theirs no way they could be smuggling weapons. If that's the case why should we even worry about the customs process in the states right?
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Let's just shoot them down over international air space and not worry about the customs process at all.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
I honestly don't know if there is or isn't.

This was a PR trip mainly by people who oppose Israel's blockade of Gaza. They thought they'd get near Gaza, the Israelis would block them from getting there, turn ship and sail back and get probably 24 hr PR on an issue that they care about.

Read some of the press in Israel... their gov't is getting blasted by what they decided to do.
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Last time this was attempted the ships refused to turn around and an unfortunate game of bumper cars ensued, people were hurt and they received bad press because of it.

These ships weren't going to turn around either and the Israelis decided instead of playing tag with vessels they would board them. They didn't count on being attacked with weapons and unfortunately they were forced to protect their fellow soldiers and people were killed. Do you not see that this was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't? Bottom line is Israel has an obligation to protect it's people, allowing ships to enter without properly vetting the cargo would be irresponsible and suicidal for a country surrounded by enemies.
 
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#45
From what I know of the incident so far, neither side is innocent. I have no doubt that ship was looking for a fight and ready to attack if boarded. That said, the IDF shouldn't have done this in Int'l waters.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Let's just shoot them down over international air space and not worry about the customs process at all.
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Better yet we could allow them to beat and stab our customs officials without any consequences when they try to circumvent our processes.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
So the British, Australian, Swedish, Canadian, Turkish, Malaysian, Serbian, Irish, Kuwaiti, ... etc, including some fellow American citizens were smuggling weapons?
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In all likely hood yes, for what ever reason people are anti-Israeli and that won't change. Israel is fighting daily to preserve its democratic and free way of life against the terrorists that would love to drive them into the sea. In the past people have smuggled weapons into the Gaza Strip using boats and underground tunnels so the Israelis are being proactive in their defense of their ideals.
 
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volinbham said:
From what I know of the incident so far, neither side is innocent. I have no doubt that ship was looking for a fight and ready to attack if boarded. That said, the IDF shouldn't have done this in Int'l waters.
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I don't like the fact that it happened in Int'l waters either, tehy could and should have waited until it was within their home waters before boarding.
 
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joevol320 said:
probably because she has better insight than hussein.
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she's also an idiot who was used as a one-trick pony of "oh look, we're progressive! we have a WOMAN candidate for Vice-president. Obama, the sexist, doesn't have that"

I mean honestly, she should have faded off from the political circuit like Kucinich;

she doesn't contribute anything positive but just picks up blinds followers

but I digress, I'm derailing the thread off from it's original intended topic
 
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TrueOrange said:
she's also an idiot who was used as a one-trick pony of "oh look, we're progressive! we have a WOMAN candidate for Vice-president. Obama, the sexist, doesn't have that"

I mean honestly, she should have faded off from the political circuit like Kucinich;

she doesn't contribute anything positive but just picks up blinds followers

but I digress, I'm derailing the thread off from it's original intended topic
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