'10 JUCO QB Cameron Newton

Status
Not open for further replies.
#2,176
#2,176
vavols24 said:
Newton has the total package, if Vols don't sign him, we will be lucky to go 6-6 next year. Bray will not be ready to play next year, dont think he would mind signing Newton for 2 years, but bringing in Rees, might possibly piss him off enough to look elsewhere. Bray needs to redshirt, put on some weight and get adjusted to college life and east coast. Bray is definately better than Rees and commited to Vols, why do something stupid to piss him off? Newton will make Vols a serious contender next year, Rees does what?
Click to expand...
And Rees would make it doubly hard to get a top prospect like LeMays or Bridgewater for 2011. Newton would have no effect on their recruiting.
 
#2,177
#2,177
hvwarrior58 said:
Lol, nice move jackass. You asked for a link showing where he had been "arrested" and when I provide such a link, you go back and edit your post to change it to conviction.
Click to expand...
Go back and read again...Cited or Convicted...you got some court documents? An arrest is a conviction?
Negative...I never changed the part about cited or convicted. Just pointing out how many folks here make knee jerk judgments about people without knowing all the facts. I don't know whether he did or didn't...I have yet to read anything saying definitively about the court's decision. Thus the question about showing proof was to illustrate how quick folks are to convict others, yet if the shoe were on the other foot they'd demand their day in court or want leniency
 
Last edited:
#2,178
#2,178
Lol, whatever man. You asked for a link showing where he had been arrested. I put a link up showing where he had been arrested. Then to save face, you edited it and changed "arrested" to "cited or convicted". Whatever makes you feel special. I don't care either way.

O, and signing Rees would not make it harder to sign a top flight QB next year. If that was the case, then schools like USC, Bama, etc wouldn't land top QBs every year. This isn't CPF and the good ol' boys.
 
#2,180
#2,180
hvwarrior58 said:
The difference between my opinion and yours....I use logic. Logically, if we were going to offer, it would be done. O well, I'll be here in a month when Newton is getting ready to rob teammates at MSU while you are crying about us passing on the next Vince Young.
Click to expand...

Several people here have indicated that they respect your past opinions on UT recruiting, so I will certainly be looking for your posts in the future.

But, I must say you certainly don't seem completely logical or dispassionate when it comes to Cam Newton. We have already discussed a couple of logical reasons why UT may yet offer Newton but have not yet done so.
1. Newton is a backup plan for Rees or another HS QB
2. UT wants to evaluate Newton on and off the field for the maximum time possible before making a decision

Also, could the "I have to be the established starter coming in" still be a sticking point and a subject of further discussion/negotiation?

I really don't have a dog in this fight since I am not savvy enough to scout QBs. Is his release point high enough? Is his throwing motion blah blah blah How should I know? but,

With apologies to Lloyd Bentsen, "Brent Schaeffer? Cam Newton was a friend of mine. I knew Cam Newton. You sir, are no Cam Newton."
 
#2,181
#2,181
I will add something Intelligent here.

Cameron Newton will not get an offer from this coaching staff.
Sorry to bust anyones bubbles. He is not the Savior for UT's QB system. Stephens and Bray will battle for the starting job. We have Lamasion as a last ditch guy.
 
#2,183
#2,183
hvwarrior58 said:
Lol, whatever man. You asked for a link showing where he had been arrested. I put a link up showing where he had been arrested. Then to save face, you edited it and changed "arrested" to "cited or convicted". Whatever makes you feel special. I don't care either way.

O, and signing Rees would not make it harder to sign a top flight QB next year. If that was the case, then schools like USC, Bama, etc wouldn't land top QBs every year. This isn't CPF and the good ol' boys.
Click to expand...
I did not ask for a link about an arrest...I asked for proof that he was convicted.
This just shows how you jump to conclusions, and pawn your opinions off as fact
 
#2,184
#2,184
Volfan_TrappedN_KY said:
I will add something Intelligent here.

Cameron Newton will not get an offer from this coaching staff.
Sorry to bust anyones bubbles. He is not the Savior for UT's QB system. Stephens and Bray will battle for the starting job. We have Lamasion as a last ditch guy.
Click to expand...
Thank you, Coach Reaves...we can all finally move on now...
 
#2,185
#2,185
So sound logic doesn't say that if he were nearly as good as many think, he would have an offer by now? The staff has seen him in person, evaluated a ton of film, talked to his coaches, etc. Even if he is the backup plan for Rees, that doesn't mean he gets an offer. Our staff isn't going to give up on Rees until he signs with ND. That likely means that Newton would have already signed with another school. It isn't even guaranteed that Newton is a backup plan. That's just a possibility. Like I said, this class is very close to full. They still have plenty of needs to fill. The staff really wanted another QB or a big RB, but they may have to pass on one or both now that Edwards and maybe Jackson are gone. Hubbs thinks that the staff is likely done with QBs unless they can steal a current commit.
 
#2,186
#2,186
It's funny how your original post on that question is edited. Some people just can't stand to be wrong. O well, can't expect everyone to man up and act like an adult.
 
#2,189
#2,189
hvwarrior58 said:
It's funny how your original post on that question is edited. Some people just can't stand to be wrong. O well, can't expect everyone to man up and act like an adult.
Click to expand...
A lot of mine are edited after the fact...99% of the time, it's a typo I tried to correct...before the spelling police arrive.

Wouldn't want to be CONVICTED of an SUI
 
#2,190
#2,190
The issue with Cameron Newton is not a talent one from my standpoint nor is it a matter of not fitting into our offense. Newton has all the ability that you would want in a pro-style quarterback and his ability to create with his legs is a plus -- not a minus. He is not a kid that looks to run before he finishes his progressions.

The discipline factor is certainly a big one. QB is not a position you want to have issues at as the QB is supposed to be the leader and the example.

Also important is, as HV stated, Cam wants to be promised playing time. That is not something this staff does with anyone who is less than a sure thing. (Berry for ex.)

The primary reasoning behind bringing in a JuCo player was to push Stephens to be the best player he could be. You don't promise a guy like Newton anything more than the chance to compete. Obviously Matt Simms isn't going to push Stephens much more than Lamaison would so he is not a viable option either.

Then you have the intangibles -- leadership, poise, ability to pick up an offense... This staff will prove to be one of the better in the nation at identifying those qualities in a passer and developing them as much as possible.

I think the coaches like the moves that Stephens has been making in practice. Obviously the physical talents are there already. There's really no reason to bring in a guy like Cam Newton when he won't help the situation and runs the risk of hurting it.

I think Cam will be a good player wherever he goes and some around here will be questioning the decision not to take him, but trust that the coaches know exactly what they are doing and they will put us in the best position to win games.
 
#2,191
#2,191
I think the attitude/discipline problem is what lowers Cam's prospects with UT and that the recent problems with Nuke, Mike, and JJ will make this staff for more risk averse in evaluating candidates.

A clean program is a high priority. Frankly, they can and will recruit talent that comes without all the baggage.

On Cam's talent side, in spite of the never-ending criticism of the following perspectives, Newton projects better as a tight end or reciever in the NFL. He's just too physical to be employed as a QB at that level.

Prediction: He'll play QB at MSU, but his NFL draft will be much, much lower than he could have attained had he been smart enough to make the transition to a position that could use his athleticism and physical dominance during his college years. If he was willing to make the transition to a more physical position now, he'd be ideal at UT (assuming he learns how to behave... which would take a lot of convincing from his side to get the UT staff to take a chance). That'd make him about 4th on the QB depth chart getting time to take snaps in the event the first two (Bray/Stephens/(Scroggins/Rees/other developments TBD) go down. He has NFL athleticism, he just needs to apply it to a more physical position.
 
Last edited:
#2,192
#2,192
utmba93 said:
I think the attitude/discipline problem is what lowers Cam's prospects with UT and that the recent problems with Nuke, Mike, and JJ will make this staff for more risk averse in evaluating candidates.

A clean program is a high priority. Frankly, they can and will recruit talent that comes without all the baggage.

On Cam's talent side, in spite of the never-ending criticism of the following perspectives, Newton projects better as a tight end or reciever in the NFL. He's just too physical to be employed as a QB at that level.

Prediction: He'll play QB at MSU, but his NFL draft will be much, much lower than he could have attained had he been smart enough to make the transition to a position that could use his athleticism and physical dominance during his college years. If he was willing to make the transition to a more physical position now, he'd be ideal at UT (assuming he learns how to behave... which would take a lot of convincing from his side to get the UT staff to take a chance). That'd make him about 4th on the QB depth chart getting time to take snaps in the event the first two (Bray/Stephens/(Scroggins/Rees/other developments TBD) go down. He has NFL athleticism, he just needs to apply it to a more physical position.
Click to expand...

Cam can play QB. He's a darn good QB.

His draft stock would have been higher at UT as would his visibility, exposure ect. Which is why I think he is still holding off waiting to see if UT is going to pull the trigger. He wants to visit so that will be something to watch for.

There is absolutely nothing though preventing this guy from being a QB. Nothing. He can make all the throws, is accurate both in the pocket and on the run. He will kill you with his feet if he has too.

There's too much baggage here to take the risk. Also Cam stated at one time that he would not commit to any program that didn't promise him early playing time and we promise no incoming player playing time. So that's most likely an issue keeping him from playing here as well.
 
#2,193
#2,193
Sabanocchio said:
Cam can play QB. He's a darn good QB.

His draft stock would have been higher at UT as would his visibility, exposure ect. Which is why I think he is still holding off waiting to see if UT is going to pull the trigger. He wants to visit so that will be something to watch for.

There is absolutely nothing though preventing this guy from being a QB. Nothing. He can make all the throws, is accurate both in the pocket and on the run. He will kill you with his feet if he has too.

There's too much baggage here to take the risk. Also Cam stated at one time that he would not commit to any program that didn't promise him early playing time and we promise no incoming player playing time. So that's most likely an issue keeping him from playing here as well.
Click to expand...

I think Cam was the ideal QB to replace Tebow in the system CUM started with at UF.

At some point, even CUM realized that an offense which relies on a QB to RUN for the first down on 3rd or 4th and short would never work in the NFL--and QB's who fit it don't project well there. It was CUM's realization that his offense was stupid in that sense that led to Cam's problems at UF (speculating) and the laptop was just CUM's excuse. We all know Urban would keep a player who'd beat his own mother if he thought it would help UF win a NC. :)

As for the CUM system in the NFL, can you imagine how hard it would be for Ray Lewis to get a wink of sleep knowing he faced an offense that used the QB to run the ball on short yardage situations? RL can't stand all these 'protect the QB' rules and that play liberates players like him to do what they wish with opposing QB's. And, QB's are franchise players in the league that can't be sacraficed with great effeciency. Lewis, and the like, would destroy a QB if a hole ever opened and left the two players head-on 'between the dummies."
 
Last edited:
#2,194
#2,194
hvwarrior58 said:
So sound logic doesn't say that if he were nearly as good as many think, he would have an offer by now? The staff has seen him in person, evaluated a ton of film, talked to his coaches, etc. Even if he is the backup plan for Rees, that doesn't mean he gets an offer. Our staff isn't going to give up on Rees until he signs with ND. That likely means that Newton would have already signed with another school. It isn't even guaranteed that Newton is a backup plan. That's just a possibility. Like I said, this class is very close to full. They still have plenty of needs to fill. The staff really wanted another QB or a big RB, but they may have to pass on one or both now that Edwards and maybe Jackson are gone. Hubbs thinks that the staff is likely done with QBs unless they can steal a current commit.
Click to expand...

I think sound logic would say Cam Newton is a complex risk/reward play.

I think sound logic would also say there is some level of interest remaining between UT and Newton, however tenuous, or Cam wouldn't still have us in his final three. As an EE, it is too late in the process for him to be using UT as bait. That dog don't hunt.
 
#2,195
#2,195
utmba93 said:
I think Cam was the ideal QB to replace Tebow in the system CUM started with at UF.
Click to expand...
Yes, I believe so too. He was in a tie to back up Tebow with Brantley before he had his issues.
At some point, even CUM realized that an offense which relies on a QB to RUN for the first down on 3rd or 4th and short would never work in the NFL--and QB's who fit it don't project well there. It was CUM's realization that his offense was stupid in that sense that led to Cam's problems at UF (speculating) and the laptop was just CUM's excuse. We all know Urban would keep a player who'd beat his own mother if he thought it would help UF win a NC. :)
Click to expand...
The argument there is that Cam left on his own accord while serving an indefinite suspension. We may never know the full truth, but he says he didn't want to play behind Tebow. I think the legal issue had much more to do with his leaving, but Eric would disagree with that FWIW.
 
#2,196
#2,196
Sabanocchio said:
Yes, I believe so too. He was in a tie to back up Tebow with Brantley before he had his issues.
The argument there is that Cam left on his own accord while serving an indefinite suspension. We may never know the full truth, but he says he didn't want to play behind Tebow. I think the legal issue had much more to do with his leaving, but Eric would disagree with that FWIW.
Click to expand...

fwiw - I think that his being stuck behind Tebow and caught for #2 by Brantley hurt his attitude and led to his theft and legal problems.

The legal issues only put him further behind Brantley and were the straw that broke the camel's back. His pride and reputation in tatters, he did the smart thing and started over.

He'll be better of at MSU. He's only got 2 years to show what he's got and already has the relationship with Mullen. He'll have a much better chance to start there.
 
#2,197
#2,197
Funny. A bunch of internet tough guys beating their chest to show their manhood. Can we just stay on topic instead of engaging in these E-pissing contests?
 
New posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
Advertisement





Back
Top