The "Twitch"

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cwil74` said:
Awesome, more potential than I ever imagined. Yes, please do.
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It's a recruiting term used in evaluation to identify a player that has an above-average development of the fast twitch muscles in his body. Signs of this development is an above-average initial burst of movement. Fast twitch has nothing to do with strength. It has to do with explosiveness. The long jump is the best indicator of whether a player is or isn't "fast twitch" as it requires the most amount of movement from a stopped position. It's a term that Coach Orgeron uses to describe a defensive lineman that has a burst off the line. It's a trait that he prefers in his defensive linemen.

This has little to do with the future development of the fast twitch muscles in the body. It refers to the natural characteristics of the athlete. You are fast twitch or you are not.

example, from ESPN:
Not real fast-twitched but quick enough to beat blockers to the hole and has adequate-to-good lateral agility and mobility sifting through the wash.
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Another example:
(Later, after the staff had left the war room, Orgeron explained that he really wanted to hear his coaches' observations. He was still trying to get a read on their evaluation skills. He said there was no one right answer or way to evaluate, but he felt pretty confident in his own eye, and he was just as interested to get a read on theirs.)

"He's fast-twitch," added offensive coordinator Dan Werner. Fast-twitch refers to the muscle fibers connected with explosive movements. Long-distance runners are said to be more wired with slow-twitch fibers, while sprinters are charged with fast-twitch.

Orgeron: "Okay, we gotta get him in the boat early because everybody is gonna come after him."
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Hmm...that's odd...

I was trying to engage in the twitch discussion, but my post was deleted. Wonder why?
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
How did it not add to the conversation?

We're discussing twitch, correct? Well, I happen to have a few questions about the degrees with which an individual may twitch. Frankly, I'm sure others on the forum have some curiosities about twitch as well.
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i know i do. this thread has been incredibly helpful in learning about the phenomenon known as "twitch".

keep the questions coming. f the haters.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
How did it not add to the conversation?

We're discussing twitch, correct? Well, I happen to have a few questions about the degrees with which an individual may twitch. Frankly, I'm sure others on the forum have some curiosities about twitch as well.
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I just don't understand twitch. Is Chris Johnson fast because he twitches?
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
How did it not add to the conversation?

We're discussing twitch, correct? Well, I happen to have a few questions about the degrees with which an individual may twitch. Frankly, I'm sure others on the forum have some curiosities about twitch as well.
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Yeah, you should definitely look that up then.
 
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cwil74` said:
I just don't understand twitch. Is Chris Johnson fast because he twitches?
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It may be one of those chicken/egg debates.

I don't think Johnson's fast because he twitches. I think he twitches because he's fast.

But, in keeping with the discussion of Luc...

I can acknowledge that he may not be "fast" twitch. My question is, does that make him "slow" twitch? Or, again, are there degrees of twitch? If so, I'd classify Luc as "not fast, but still pretty fast" twitch. I mean, I'm pretty sure he twitches faster than most.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Yeah, you should definitely look that up then.
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I plan to do just that.

But, in the meantime, since you brought it up, I'm trying to stay on topic, and continue the twitch discussion, specifically as it pertains to Luc.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
It may be one of those chicken/egg debates.

I don't think Johnson's fast because he twitches. I think he twitches because he's fast.

But, in keeping with the discussion of Luc...

I can acknowledge that he may not be "fast" twitch. My question is, does that make him "slow" twitch? Or, again, are there degrees of twitch? If so, I'd classify Luc as "not fast, but still pretty fast" twitch. I mean, I'm pretty sure he twitches faster than most.
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yes there are varying degrees but most just stick with slow/fast. I know I don't want to be the one to tell Coach O the guy is semi-fast twitch
 
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utvolpj said:
yes there are varying degrees but most just stick with slow/fast. I know I don't want to be the one to tell Coach O the guy is semi-fast twitch
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Finally, we're getting somewhere.

Thank you, PJ.

So, can we all agree that Luc, while not necessarily fast twitch, is definitely not slow twitch?
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
It may be one of those chicken/egg debates.

I don't think Johnson's fast because he twitches. I think he twitches because he's fast.

But, in keeping with the discussion of Luc...

I can acknowledge that he may not be "fast" twitch. My question is, does that make him "slow" twitch? Or, again, are there degrees of twitch? If so, I'd classify Luc as "not fast, but still pretty fast" twitch. I mean, I'm pretty sure he twitches faster than most.
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I don't think the issue is so much muscle twitch with luc as it is size... and for the record all people have slow and fast twitch muscles; nobody just has one or the other. there is only so fast you are going to move 240 pds around
 
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i'm no twitch doctor or anything but from my rudimentary knowledge of fast and slow twitch muscle fibers i would say that luc's muscle mass would indicate a much higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers as opposed to the far leaner slow twitch variety.
 
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voltilifall said:
i'm no twitch doctor or anything but from my rudimentary knowledge of fast and slow twitch muscle fibers i would say that luc's muscle mass would indicate a much higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers as opposed to the far leaner slow twitch variety.
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Interesting.

So it's your contention that Luc may well be fast-twitch after all?
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Interesting.

So it's your contention that Luc may well be fast-twitch after all?
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he appears to have the opposite of the lean runners body that is typically associated with slow twitch...he's built like a bodybuilder so i would say that he is most likely excessively fast twitch.
 
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voltilifall said:
he appears to have the opposite of the lean runners body that is typically associated with slow twitch...he's built like a bodybuilder so i would say that he is most likely excessively fast twitch.
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Well...there certainly seems to be some dissenting opinion on this matter.

Perhaps I'll make a poll, and we'll leave it to the Nation to diagnose Luc's twitch.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Twitch is a critical element in the recruit evaluation process.

I love Luc as much as the next guy, but twitch is a serious concern with him.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one, do NOT want a twitchy linebacker. That's a sign of neurosis you know?
 
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kptvol said:
Fast twitch muscle fibers have more to do with strength than pretty much anything else in your body.
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But, wait....Luc's strong as an ox....

And, if there's a correlation between fast twitch fibers and strength, then wouldn't that mean that Luc is fast twitch?
 
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