Tobias Harris To Visit Kentucky For Big Blue Madness.

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That can't help UT's chances. He's going to cut his list to five sometime after his in home with Jim Calhoun tonight. The visit to Lexington means there are only four spots left. You have to think UCONN and West Virginia are going to make it, so UT is likely battling for one of the last two positions available.
 
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This shouldn't be a surprise. Coach Cal is most likely going to secure a visit from anyone he really wants.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Just keep the depressing news coming..
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To keep the theme going, I got off the phone about 5 minutes ago with a Big East assistant coach who said he'll buy me dinner at the steakhouse of my choice next time we're in Vegas if Syracuse isn't in the final 5.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Just keep the depressing news coming..
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Good lord, you're as bad as hat. We just got a top 75 recruit within the last two weeks, how's that for good news? And, one guy won't make or break this class. This isn't football, you only need 4-5 solid guys in even a "high needs" recruiting class. We have two, possibly three with Crawford and the fall signing date is still not here yet.

So, we need two posts. It isn't that depressing or dire at this point.
 
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Unimane said:
Good lord, you're as bad as hat. We just got a top 75 recruit within the last two weeks, how's that for good news? And, one guy won't make or break this class. This isn't football, you only need 4-5 solid guys in even a "high needs" recruiting class. We have two, possibly three with Crawford and the fall signing date is still not here yet.

So, we need two posts. It isn't that depressing or dire at this point.
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Yeah, the idea of trying to beat the Brandon Knights of the world with Trae Golden really makes me optimistic.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, the idea of trying to beat the Brandon Knights of the world with Trae Golden really makes me optimistic.
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Yeah, you are so right. Unless we get all 5 star players, then it is a total waste of a class. There definitely aren't any good players beyond the top 20 lists.

And, for sure, everyone has a Brandon Knight on their roster.
 
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Unimane said:
And, for sure, everyone has a Brandon Knight on their roster.
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Look at the last two Final Fours. Not a whole lot of guys whose second best offer was from Virginia running the show for those teams. If you're happy competing with the Vanderbilts and South Carolinas of the world, recruit Trae Golden. If you want to compete with Connecticuts and North Carolinas, you better bring someone more talented to campus.
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hatvol96 said:
Look at the last two Final Fours. Not a whole lot of guys whose second best offer was from Virginia running the show for those teams. If you're happy competing with the Vanderbilts and South Carolinas of the world, recruit Trae Golden. If you want to compete with Connecticuts and North Carolinas, you better bring someone more talented to campus.
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For a program that has never made it to even the Elite 8, your expectations are seemingly more based upon your irrational hatred of all things Pearl than reality. North Carolina?

But, since the point has been made, exactly when have we been competing with Vandy and South Carolina? I mean, I've looked at the recruiting classes for UT and the comparative results the past few years. They were closer to UConn than to Vandy and USC with recruits a lot less regarded than Golden and MCrae (Or Hopson, Negedu, Hall.....but, I digress).

And your little retort about our recent commit? Golden's not as good as Brandon Knight. Really? He's not as good as the best player in the country for his class? Wow, pretty damning evidence on your part. I completely take back any criticism of your point.
 
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Calhoun is a cheater, and if you are black and playing for him you have a 1 in 4 chance of graduating with a degree...

Tobias can do better.
 
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Unimane said:
For a program that has never made it to even the Elite 8, your expectations are seemingly more based upon your irrational hatred of all things Pearl thanreality. North Carolina?

But, since the point has been made, exactly when have we been competing with Vandy and South Carolina? I mean, I've looked at the recruiting classes for UT and the comparative results the past few years. They were closer to UConn than to Vandy and USC with recruits a lot less regarded than Golden and MCrae (Or Hopson, Negedu, Hall.....but, I digress).

And your little retort about our recent commit? Golden's not as good as Brandon Knight. Really? He's not as good as the best player in the country for his class? Wow, pretty damning evidence on your part. I completely take back any criticism of your point.
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Why are we paying a basketball coach elite money if we don't expect elite results? Jerry Green made the NCAA Tournament every year, which proves it doesn't take a particularly skilled coach to make the field at UT, being paid middle of the road SEC money. If just hanging around the field and leaving winning the games that actually matter to someone else is the standard, I'd just as soon find another Jerry Green, pay him accordingly and use the extra money to rehire Rodney Garner. As to the Brandon Knight comment, I could have just as easily used Kyrie Irving, Cory Joseph, or about 10 other point guards.
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Unimane said:
Good lord, you're as bad as hat. We just got a top 75 recruit within the last two weeks, how's that for good news? And, one guy won't make or break this class. This isn't football, you only need 4-5 solid guys in even a "high needs" recruiting class. We have two, possibly three with Crawford and the fall signing date is still not here yet.

So, we need two posts. It isn't that depressing or dire at this point.
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Crawford is the 3rd or 4th best player on his own AAU team and is a 50/50 shot to qualify. Excuse me if I'm not overwhelmed at the prospect of his signing.
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hatvol96 said:
Why are we paying a basketball coach elite money if we don't expect elite results? Jerry Green made the NCAA Tournament every year, which proves it doesn't take a particularly skilled coach to make the field at UT, being paid middle of the road SEC money. If just hanging around the field and leaving winning the games that actually matter to someone else is the standard, I'd just as soon find another Jerry Green, pay him accordingly and use the extra money to rehire Rodney Garner.
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I love the Pearlophobes comparisons to Green, it's almost comical. Ok,on the front end, tell me how much talent O'Neill left Green as compared to Peterson to Pearl? I remember three McD's AAs that fell into his lap, along with an unreal amount of talent to complement them. Pearl had Lofton and Major Wingate (Plus, I know how much you love Dane Bradshaw, who was a very good role player, IMO, but not AA material.)

On the tail end, tell me what the talent was brought in by the two, in comparison. Andy Ikeakor vs. Kenny Hall? Brandon Crump vs. Jordan McRae? Uncle Jed making all of 4 recruiting trips his last year is far worse than your BS rankling of Pearl for his time in the Maccabi Games. I also don't remember Pearl losing by 30 to a directional school from Missouri and his players hating his guts.

Yeah, they're not the same. Nice try, though.

But, anyway, as far as salaries go, I believe Pearl is third in the SEC. Not exactly "elite" and, considering he has the best record in the SEC over that time, a pretty good investment.

Also, as far as "competing with South Carolina and Vandy or UConn", well let's take a look at Pearl's 4 years as a comparison:

UConn-7 NCAA wins (out of 3 qualified)
Tennessee- 5 NCAA wins (out of all 4 qualified)
Vandy- 2 NCAA wins (out of 2 qualified)
USC- 0 NCAA wins (0 qualified)

So, which ones are we closer to?
 
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hatvol96 said:
As to the Brandon Knight comment, I could have just as easily used Kyrie Irving, Cory Joseph, or about 10 other point guards.
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Crawford is the 3rd or 4th best player on his own AAU team and is a 50/50 shot to qualify. Excuse me if I'm not overwhelmed at the prospect of his signing.
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Well, of course you aren't excited by them, they're going, or likely, to play for Pearl. If Pearl recruited Michael Jordan, you'd start off by saying "Well, Pearl still is getting 2 guards with suspect outside shooting". Classic Pearlophobe thinking, "Hmmm, how can I find the negative in every situation?"

Crawford also plays for a loaded AAU team with guys like Chris Jones and Adonis Thomas, so being 3rd best isn't nearly as bad as you are trying to deceive people into thinking. He's still regarded as a top 75 or so player. I've also heard conflicting stories about his potential for qualifying. Regardless, it's not exactly unheard of to sign a guy and stash him in a prep school for a year. You should know.
 
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Unimane said:
I love the Pearlophobes comparisons to Green, it's almost comical. Ok,on the front end, tell me how much talent O'Neill left Green as compared to Peterson to Pearl? I remember three McD's AAs that fell into his lap, along with an unreal amount of talent to complement them. Pearl had Lofton and Major Wingate (Plus, I know how much you love Dane Bradshaw, who was a very good role player, IMO, but not AA material.)

On the tail end, tell me what the talent was brought in by the two, in comparison. Andy Ikeakor vs. Kenny Hall? Brandon Crump vs. Jordan McRae? Uncle Jed making all of 4 recruiting trips his last year is far worse than your BS rankling of Pearl for his time in the Maccabi Games. I also don't remember Pearl losing by 30 to a directional school from Missouri and his players hating his guts.

Yeah, they're not the same. Nice try, though.

But, anyway, as far as salaries go, I believe Pearl is third in the SEC. Not exactly "elite" and, considering he has the best record in the SEC over that time, a pretty good investment.

Also, as far as "competing with South Carolina and Vandy or UConn", well let's take a look at Pearl's 4 years as a comparison:

UConn-7 NCAA wins (out of 3 qualified)
Tennessee- 5 NCAA wins (out of all 4 qualified)
Vandy- 2 NCAA wins (out of 2 qualified)
USC- 0 NCAA wins (0 qualified)

So, which ones are we closer to?
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Who were the three McD AA's inherited by Green? Green was also playing in a conference where Kentucky was one of the best programs in the country. Nobod at UT was going to approach the best record in the conference. The main thing about Green, is that it's telling that we're comparing, reasonably I might add, him and Pearl. They are not the same, but the results are.

The point that the pay doesn't reflect the outcomes is on the money. We gave the man a raise for winning 1.25 tourney games per season and losing to Arkansas in the SEC title game. The team has actually gotten worse since he lost Buzz Peterson's recruits, yet you are proclaiming his recruiting as warranting his only 3rd highest salary. You forgot to mention that the other two guys are at the extreme end of the pay scale. You didn't mention where he falls out nationally, wonder why?


As to the tourney resume comparisons, he's clearly closer to Vandy than anyone on the list. 1.25 wins per visit is awfully close to being happy to make the trip, which fits beautifully into the Pearl is a highly paid Jerry Green. UConn's 2.33 per trip absolutely dwarfs Pearl's, but you knew that. You simply tried to use stats to tell a story that isn't true, which is why you omitted UNC from the list. Didn't omitting them prove the point that you're happy with the Vandy / SC comparisons, rather than the people really competing for titles.

I know you love Pearl, but tell me about what happens on the floor that leads you to believe that he's going to get thus program moving forward. What philosophy of his will make that happen, even if his recruiting is as lights out as you imply?
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BigPapaVol said:
Who were the three McD AA's inherited by Green? Green was also playing in a conference where Kentucky was one of the best programs in the country. Nobod at UT was going to approach the best record in the conference. The main thing about Green, is that it's telling that we're comparing, reasonably I might add, him and Pearl. They are not the same, but the results are.

The point that the pay doesn't reflect the outcomes is on the money. We gave the man a raise for winning 1.25 tourney games per season and losing to Arkansas in the SEC title game. The team has actually gotten worse since he lost Buzz Peterson's recruits, yet you are proclaiming his recruiting as warranting his only 3rd highest salary. You forgot to mention that the other two guys are at the extreme end of the pay scale. You didn't mention where he falls out nationally, wonder why?


As to the tourney resume comparisons, he's clearly closer to Vandy than anyone on the list. 1.25 wins per visit is awfully close to being happy to make the trip, which fits beautifully into the Pearl is a highly paid Jerry Green. UConn's 2.33 per trip absolutely dwarfs Pearl's, but you knew that. You simply tried to use stats to tell a story that isn't true, which is why you omitted UNC from the list. Didn't omitting them prove the point that you're happy with the Vandy / SC comparisons, rather than the people really competing for titles.

I know you love Pearl, but tell me about what happens on the floor that leads you to believe that he's going to get thus program moving forward. What philosophy of his will make that happen, even if his recruiting is as lights out as you imply?
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That's the dumbest crap on here yet. You should leave the Pearl BS to hat, he does it with more style and intelligence than you. I'll break down just how dumb your post is after I drop off my son at school, but I thought I'd give you an opportunity to review your post and make some changes, maybe check some roster's of the McDonald's game.
 
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Unimane said:
I love the Pearlophobes comparisons to Green, it's almost comical. Ok,on the front end, tell me how much talent O'Neill left Green as compared to Peterson to Pearl? I remember three McD's AAs that fell into his lap, along with an unreal amount of talent to complement them. Pearl had Lofton and Major Wingate (Plus, I know how much you love Dane Bradshaw, who was a very good role player, IMO, but not AA material.)

On the tail end, tell me what the talent was brought in by the two, in comparison. Andy Ikeakor vs. Kenny Hall? Brandon Crump vs. Jordan McRae? Uncle Jed making all of 4 recruiting trips his last year is far worse than your BS rankling of Pearl for his time in the Maccabi Games. I also don't remember Pearl losing by 30 to a directional school from Missouri and his players hating his guts.

Yeah, they're not the same. Nice try, though.

But, anyway, as far as salaries go, I believe Pearl is third in the SEC. Not exactly "elite" and, considering he has the best record in the SEC over that time, a pretty good investment.

Also, as far as "competing with South Carolina and Vandy or UConn", well let's take a look at Pearl's 4 years as a comparison:

UConn-7 NCAA wins (out of 3 qualified)
Tennessee- 5 NCAA wins (out of all 4 qualified)
Vandy- 2 NCAA wins (out of 2 qualified)
USC- 0 NCAA wins (0 qualified)

So, which ones are we closer to?
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Hey, Jed had golf to play. Getting in 36 at Willow Creek was more important than being on campus when Troy Bell visited.
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