Looking Past The Upcoming Beatdown...

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lovinvolsinva said:
But, nobody gave us a chance in the game, hence the 18 pt spread. Even you I bet. If you'd admit it.....
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When you have John Henderson, a multi-pro bowler, and Albert Haynesworth, a future Hall of Famer, on the defensive line, I would probably consider that slightly more talent than we have now. It's not at all the same situation; you have a horribly losing argument to compare that game with this one.
 
#102
#102
Jaytrain5 said:
That 18 point spread was a joke. Anyone with a modicum of football knowledge knew the Vols had a shot in that one.

UT had offensive weapons all over the field, a competent and capable quarterback, and the nation's 2 best interior defensive linemen.
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What is the history on UT vs UF on our covering the spread?

This spread seems too large as well. Our defense can keep it a lot closer if we just limit turnovers by the offense and play decent on special teams.
 
#103
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lovinvolsinva said:
I'd never expect you to say anything nice about Fulmer. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I would, however, like for you to explain your belief that Kiffin is the best coach of your lifetime. You seem like a reasonably smart person with a well rounded vocabulary. I find it ironic that you would make such an idiotic post unless you are under the age of 15.
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I'm pretty sure I said he was my favorite coach of my lifetime. If you have anything showing I said something different, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, you're just wasting bandwith.
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kiffinator13 said:
When you have John Henderson, a multi-pro bowler, and Albert Haynesworth, a future Hall of Famer, on the defensive line, I would probably consider that slightly more talent than we have now. It's not at all the same situation; you have a horribly losing argument to compare that game with this one.
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He's got a lot of work to do to make that happen.
 
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JZVOL said:
He's got a lot of work to do to make that happen.
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Being a perennial pro-bowler will do it for him. Being the most dominant DT in the game will do that for him. Of course, I am assuming he stays at this level for a few more years. He may not, but he is certainly on track to be a hall of famer as of right now., IMO.
 
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lovinvolsinva said:
I'd never expect you to say anything nice about Fulmer. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I would, however, like for you to explain your belief that Kiffin is the best coach of your lifetime. You seem like a reasonably smart person with a well rounded vocabulary. I find it ironic that you would make such an idiotic post unless you are under the age of 15.
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:popcorn:
 
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hatvol96 said:
How was beating a Notre Dame team you played to the final gun the year before much of a upset. I'm also not going to consider beating a team with Brock Berlin at QB to be a huge feat.
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I don't know the line before that ND game in '91, but it was probably close to double digits, the public still loved them some ND back then. They were a national title contender, we had just very recently clawed our way back to respectability. Very few gave us much of a chance in that one.

As for Miami, knowing what we know now might detract from what we accomplished at the time, but remember, in '03 Miami had a 47 home game winning streak and I think we were 4-3 and unranked going in. No one gave us a chance in that one... Also, the real Brock Berlin hadn't been figured out at game time.

But my point was that in all of those big wins, we had good QB play... we can only hope against all hope for that this Saturday.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
When you have John Henderson, a multi-pro bowler, and Albert Haynesworth, a future Hall of Famer, on the defensive line, I would probably consider that slightly more talent than we have now. It's not at all the same situation; you have a horribly losing argument to compare that game with this one.
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Not only are the 01 and 09 UT D-lines lopsided, multiple other positions are as well...

Wells, Coleman, Ofenheusle, Herrera and company were much better than the front line for this year's team.

Parker, Stallworth, Graham, Washington and Witten were light years ahead of the current receiving corps.

And, there's no comparing Clausen and Crompton.
 
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#110
General Jack said:
We've had some nice upsets over the years, namely:


  • Miami '85
  • Notre Dame '91
  • Florida '01
  • Miami '03
  • Georgia '04
But the difference was, we had overachieving, if not good, QBs in all of those games. Crompton is going to have to play the game of his life for us to even have a chance... and the O-line is going to have to dig down deep.
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I think the difference as relates to this thread was those games we didn't go in feeling completely hopeless.
None of the teams in this list were bad teams. The 85 Vols, while big underdogs, were still the SEC Champions. '01 team was loaded in talent and ranked #5. The 18 point line was a joke, based more on (IMHO) Fulmer's inability to beat Spurrier and the whole "Vols haven't won in the Swamp in 30 years" stuff. That team was a half away from playing Miami in the Rose Bowl.

That's why bringing up games like '01 Florida in trying to pump everyone up don't make a whole lot of sense to me...it's apples and oranges.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Being a perennial pro-bowler will do it for him. Being the most dominant DT in the game will do that for him. Of course, I am assuming he stays at this level for a few more years. He may not, but he is certainly on track to be a hall of famer as or right now., IMO.
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Last year was really his only dominant year and it was a contract year, he's made two pro bowls and never started a full season.

Does he have the talent? Yes. I'm just curious to see his motivation level after his massive contract. If he stays motivated and the 'Skins get better he has the ability for sure.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Not only are the 01 and 09 UT D-lines lopsided, multiple other positions are as well...

Wells, Coleman, Ofenheusle, Herrera and company were much better than the front line for this year's team.

Parker, Stallworth, Graham, Washington and Witten were light years ahead of the current receiving corps.

And, there's no comparing Clausen and Crompton.
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Speaking for myself, I was not optimistic about winning any big game Phil Fulmer was coaching, regardless of the talent on our team.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think the difference as relates to this thread was those games we didn't go in feeling completely hopeless.
None of the teams in this list were bad teams. The 85 Vols, while big underdogs, were still the SEC Champions. '01 team was loaded in talent and ranked #5. The 18 point line was a joke, based more on (IMHO) Fulmer's inability to beat Spurrier and the whole "Vols haven't won in the Swamp in 30 years" stuff. That team was a half away from playing Miami in the Rose Bowl.

That's why bringing up games like '01 Florida in trying to pump everyone up don't make a whole lot of sense to me...it's apples and oranges.
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I'm not making a case for us this year, I'm trying to point out how this year is different than the others I listed. My point was that in the other games where we were huge underdogs we had good QB play... and although I didn't say it in my first post, we had good O-lines. We have neither this year...
 
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#116
General Jack said:
But my point was that in all of those big wins, we had good QB play... we can only hope against all hope for that this Saturday.
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Crompton has the skills to play the game beyond anything we've ever seen from him.

He's got a better looking supporting cast this season than we had last as well (not saying much, perhaps).

Still, this Gator defense could be the best he's ever faced. We donlt have the horses to play with their Dline, the talent to expose their secondary, or running backs who can beat their linebackers. The total mismatch is their D to our O, but if we keep the ball on the ground and run the clock some, we should be able to keep it to less than 28 (the current spread?), right?
 
#119
#119
hatvol96 said:
I wouldn't have gotten on the plane down there if I felt it was hopeless. Berlin was flat atrocious.
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I didn't expect much of us either after getting our heads kicked in by Georgia at home. By that point our program was noticeably down against the big boys... and Miami was still a big boy. It was a great win.

Anyway I wasn't trying to justify our chances this year; rather, pointing out how this year's circumstances were different than those other big wins.
 
#120
#120
hatvol96 said:
Berlin was flat atrocious.
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Yes he was...and the Vols weren't much better.

But, thanks to some decent D, a good run by an underutilized Derrick Tinsley, and a vintage knuckleball punt from Colquitt, the Vols were able to force Winslow into one of the greatest post-game soundbytes in college football history.
 
#121
#121
utmba93 said:
Crompton has the skills to play the game beyond anything we've ever seen from him.

He's got a better looking supporting cast this season than we had last as well (not saying much, perhaps).

Still, this Gator defense could be the best he's ever faced. We donlt have the horses to play with their Dline, the talent to expose their secondary, or running backs who can beat their linebackers. The total mismatch is their D to our O, but if we keep the ball on the ground and run the clock some, we should be able to keep it to less than 28 (the current spread?), right?
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I agree that Crompton has potential. Thats what is so frustrating... can't get it together in the big games. For the record, I have always liked Crompton personally, really hate that things have turned out the way they have; its a shame. There aren't many top high school QBs that grew up bleeding orange.

If we don't turn the ball over and can at least change fields on most possessions we'll keep it under the spread. If florida has to march 80+ yards every possession they won't score 40.
 
#123
#123
hog88 said:
Most negative SOBs I've ever been around. Come on evern a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then! Why don't we just stop the season now and give the championship to CUM and save some pain?

Our team can beat these guys and if not as long as they don't quit in the second half and are still fighting that is one heck of an improvment.
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Well, I guess you can call me Nancy. True that even blind hogs find acorns but rarely do they throw them to the ones with 20/20 vision the way our blind hog does.
 
#125
#125
Oldblood said:
Back when we had a QB that beat UF twice and Miami on the road, a good offensive line, John Henderson and Albert Haynesworth on the D-line, and very talented, veteran WRs?
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Yep, that's it. And let us not forget, the best winning percentage head coach in the land! :)
 
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