Perception versus reality

#51
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triad280 said:
You 2 geniuses in FL, tell me what he has been mouthy about? He has already said the Urban cheating comment was not meant for the public to hear. It was meant for a group of boosters. I would think he would have liked to take that back or at least confiscate a few video cameras.Yet you say he didn't know any better.He has no experience.I guess Saban didn't either when he got caught telling all those off color jokes. But I guess that's OK, he has experience.He never said the recruit would be pumping gas at So.Carolina, per the recruit.

Now,is Kiffin a lightening rod? most definitely. The national media has blown some of this out of proportion.We've had 6 secondary violations in 8 months, a lot of high profile programs have had more than that,yet you never hear about it. Why is that? ESPN talks about us just about as much as any team(except FL & USC). Bryce Brown pretty much made it clear that TN wasn't on his radar until Kiffin grabbed his attention.

By the way, did you hear that Bryce was the #1 recruit in the nation last year? I'm glad Kiffin has no experience & doesn't know any better
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That was the main one. And there was something about singing Rocky Top this year in Gainesville after a UT victory. And also something about insulting an entire town.
 
#52
#52
Kiffin has set himself up to where, if he fails at Tennessee, he will be the laughing stock of college football for years to come. The University of Tennessee will also be known for performing one of the dumbest hires in college football head coaching history.

Here's to Kiffin being successful!

:crossfingers:
 
#53
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Wish Griffin read this before posting the new article.

Look Kiffin did not have no idea what it is like to deal with the media as a coach. He grew up in a way that prepared him to manipulate the media like very few in the history of coaching. I suppose if his mom was Diane Sawyer instead of just having a dad in the NFL, a college career at a small market team, a college coaching start with one of the 5 highest profile teams in the media and then becoming the YOUNGEST ever NFL coach, he might have been even more prepared.

Someone asked if it was because he cannot help himself or if it was calculated. Try to drudge up choice quotes from his angry speech after Al Davis came unglued. You cant. He waited for the case to be settled. Try to find quotes where he mocked NFL coaches. You cant. It does not help in the NFL to mock other teams, players or coaches. It does help tremendously in college. In the pros you choose them, in college they choose you.
 
#54
#54
Isn’t there some revisionist history here? Were you genuinely thinking in those terms when you stood up at the recruiting breakfast back in February and made your comments about Urban Meyer?

LK: Way before that, there was a plan. Every plan doesn’t go exactly the way you draw it up. There are some things I said that I didn’t like to say that I had to say on purpose. Sometimes, a question leads to something else and it gets answered a different way than if you had some more time to think about it.

lawgator from the low espn interview today with kiffin
 
#55
#55
if kif didnt believe we could be singing rocky top this year after the game in gville then i wouldnt want him here.
 
#56
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lawgator1 said:
Good question. I don't know.

I personally just think he was very excited, and he just couldn't hide it. He lost control and you guys liked it.
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Playing the golden oldies LG? I leave you with the very famous lyrics from a Pointer Sisters song and you decide.

I'm so excited and I just can't hide it
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it
I'm so excited and I just can't hide it
And I know I know I know I know I know I want you

:dance2:
 
#57
#57
The latest woman's father is not a big time donor nor is he a bank president. Gundy and Holder decided that 3 run-ins with the law in 6 months was enough.

This article was published late yesterday evening on the Tulsa World website.


Previous rape complaint filed against former OSU player

OSU starting tight end Jamal Mosley left the team this week. CORY YOUNG/Tulsa World file


By SUSAN HYLTON World Staff Writer
Published: 9/4/2009 9:16 PM
Last Modified: 9/4/2009 10:51 PM

STILLWATER — Jamal Mosley, who quit the OSU football team after being accused of raping a female student in August, had been accused of raping another student in March, the Tulsa World has learned.

A rape examination was performed and evidence was collected in that earlier allegation, but the case was closed when the victim decided not to cooperate in the investigation.

“At this time the victim is not sure if she wants to press charges because she does not want the suspect to lose his scholarship,” according to the Oklahoma State University Police Department report, dated March 12, that was obtained by the Tulsa World.

The report says the woman went into Mosley’s room at Bost Hall late on the night of March 6 and waited for his arrival.

When he arrived, she thought he was drunk because of his behavior and loudness, which she said was the opposite of his “normal shy self.”

The woman told campus police that she told Mosley “no” and tried to push him off when he initiated physical contact, according to the report.

She said he pinned her hands above her head and broke her zipper when he pulled off her jeans before forcing intercourse on her, the document says.

She told police that she went home but returned to Mosley’s room after he sent her a text message about 12:30 a.m. March 7, asking her to come back and discuss the situation. She said she left again when he again initiated sexual contact, according to the police report.

She told police that the two later exchanged text messages:

“That’s so messed up how you just took advantage of me and you have no idea,” the report says she wrote to Mosley.

Mosley replied that he was sorry. Two days later, he texted again, saying, “Do what you have to do,” the police report says.

A source close to the Cowboys football program indicated that Mosley and the woman dated for two months after the alleged rape.

OSU spokesman Gary Shutt said he is not sure whether evidence collected in the closed case was kept on file or destroyed.

Shutt said police are still investigating the rape that is alleged to have happened in August.

A relative of the woman in that case said most of the rumors going around on radio and Internet forums are completely false.

It is Tulsa World policy not to identify alleged victims of sexual assault or their relatives.

“The talking heads have been vicious, and it’s unfortunate. We’re talking about a lady whose life is already traumatized, and they’re just feeding the fire for ratings,” said the victim’s relative, who serves on the board of governors for the OSU Foundation.

The relative said one of the biggest rumors is the notion that Mosley, a starting tight end, did nothing wrong and was railroaded out of town in a political deal.

“She knew him. I don’t know if she was dating him or not, but to me that doesn’t matter,” he said. “You can’t rape your girlfriend.”

The relative said he believes that Mosley’s actions — two alleged rapes and a marijuana charge — during his time at OSU should be “enough to kick you off any team.”

OSU football coach Mike Gundy announced earlier this week that Mosley, a sophomore starter, had left the team for personal reasons.

The victim’s relative said his family member is white but that the woman who told police Mosley raped her in March is black, “so they can’t pull the race card on it.”

The victim’s relative said the incident is a “lose-lose situation” for everyone.

“We as a family … have left it in the hands of the DA,” he said.

Gundy was not available for comment Friday, a university spokesman said. Gundy deferred all questions to Shutt.

Shutt said campus police have no formal policy on notifying the coaching staff when one of their players is a suspect in an alleged crime.

“They’re not obligated to,” he said. “With the incident in March, the coaches were not told about it because the reporting party did not want to pursue it, so the case was closed. The police did not contact the coaches about this incident once it was closed.”

When Mosley and his teammate Dexter Pratt were being investigated in June on an allegation that they had marijuana in their apartment, police called coach Dale Patterson in an effort to locate the players for questioning, records show.

“I contacted coach Patterson of OSU football to inform him what I found in Pratt’s and Mosley’s residence,” the officer said in the report.

According to the report, police were dispatched to an “unoccupied room.”

A residential assistant told the officer no one was living in the apartment, but the officer wasn’t convinced after seeing a television that had been left on and marijuana residue on a coffee table, according to the officer’s report.

The RA then told police that the two football players lived there, according to the officer’s report.

Mosley and Pratt blamed a woman from Oklahoma City for bringing the marijuana to their residence and said their use was “experimental.”

Records do not indicate that the woman was charged. Marijuana possession charges were filed against Mosley and Pratt in July.

World sports writer Bill Haisten contributed to this story.


By SUSAN HYLTON World Staff Writer
 
#58
#58
lawgator1 said:
That was the main one. And there was something about singing Rocky Top this year in Gainesville after a UT victory. And also something about insulting an entire town.
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I just wish he had something about wishing FL fans would not have THOUSANDS of posts on a VOL forum!!!WTF?????
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#59
#59
Because he could not get in classes after the drop add? Sounds like he may have some trouble keeping himself under control, and he got the Big Orange Screw...
 
#61
#61
Poke at UT if you cannot get into classes due to the computer or whatever it is called "The Big Orange Screw"

As in,
"Did you get the Tuesday Thursday only schedule you wanted?"
"No I have a Monday lecture at 8:15 and a lab on Friday at 4"

It has been reported that Mosley could not get in at UT due to some academic problems with admission calendars. Not sure if it is fact.
 
#62
#62
Okay let me start by saying UT impressed me more then anyone else during the first week. I would have never thought you guys would put more then 35 points on any team this year. It was WKU but still impressive. I don't believe ANY team will over look UT this year mainly due to the fact that your coach has pissed off quite a few people leading up to the season.

This has been on my mind since i heard the story...
The kid that is involved in the rape case, does he plan to start/play any during his career at UT or is he just someone that will be lost in the Depth chart?
Im asking because i can't understand why you would take so much heat from media and other schools/fans for someone that would never see the field.
 
#63
#63
2, 3, and 4, are patently false, from what I can see.

1, on the other hand, well, let's just say that Kiffin's mouth has run up a very large debt, and he'd better be able to pay it back.

I personally believe that he's an excellent place-holder coach. He'll recruit pretty well for a couple of years, because he's young, he looks good, and he can relate to those that he's recruiting, because he's at about the same level of maturity. He's surrounded himself with upper-middle class coaching talent, and should be able to win the games that he's supposed to win, setting the stage for the hiring of a real coach who can back up his words with action. He's Ron Zook with a pretty face.

I could be wrong, but you know, a genius doesn't make a laughing stock of himself in front of the whole country before he even coaches a down. A genius lays low, bides his time, quietly builds his powerhouse under the noses of his opponents, and pops them in the mouth when they least expect it. THEN, and only then, does he swagger. He doesn't swagger after flunking out of the NFL, by going into the strongest conference in the NCAA, pulling down his drawers, and mooning the greatest coaches and teams in the country like a drunken frat boy.

I totally expect UT fans to make excuses for him. What else are you supposed to to? In a few years, when Kiffin fatigue sets in at Knoxville, when he's still writing checks that his butt can't cover, then maybe you'll look back and see my point.

I sincerely believe that the Administration at UT totally knows what they're doing with this hire, but most of the UT fans have no clue.

As for thugs and rapists being at UT, or the players being soft, that's ridiculous. You don't get to play at UT by being soft, and the thugs and rapists argument is as old as college football- every rival is full of thugs and rapists. It's typical propaganda by rivals. Rarely does such accusations pan out. If the kid is convicted of rape, then he'll be shown the door, but he's innocent until proven guilty. This is a kid's life that we're talking about, and he shouldn't be shown the door without due process being served.
 
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#64
#64
This has been on my mind since i heard the story...
The kid that is involved in the rape case, does he plan to start/play any during his career at UT or is he just someone that will be lost in the Depth chart?
Im asking because i can't understand why you would take so much heat from media and other schools/fans for someone that would never see the field.

Which kid? We do not even know if Mosley is still in Knoxville at this point. He would see the field we would all guess based on the TE's we have graduating.

Daniel Hood is going to provide valuable depth on a very thin offensive line that will be decimated by graduation. He is also a local boy who grew up loving the team. He was 13 when he was the witness to terrible actions by his 14 year old cousins 17 year old boyfriend she had been sleeping with.

It was all wrong all the way around, but the 13 year old would never have been held nearly as culpable if he was not so large. Daniel Hood is 5 feet tall when this all occurs and the DA does not charge him even though he is involved because it appears to be clear coercion. People do not understand that a very large boy is still a boy and looks up to and is influenced by people older disproportionately when he is young.

In every single case I think the parents of all involved look like one of the reasons society is in the state it is in.
 
#65
#65
lawgator1 said:
That was the main one. And there was something about singing Rocky Top this year in Gainesville after a UT victory. And also something about insulting an entire town.
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Well......since you brought it up...UF coaches are notorious for insulting entire towns, namely Knoxville. Granted, you guys have beat us relentlessly the past couple of seasons, however, just as your coach was new to the SEC a few years ago, so is ours this year.
He will lead the band in Rocky Top, if not this year, then way sooner than you guys are comfortable with, otherwise, it would'nt be a big deal, would it? See, the problem is this: Meyer comes across as a cocky, sanctimonious p***k. He has a right to be cocky, I suppose, but there's a fine line between being confident and arrogance. Meyer is the latter personified. CK has to start somewhere, lol. Don't worry yourself,LG. All dynasties end at some point. GO VOLS!

P.s. Forgive my rant. As much as you dislike UT, multiply that by maybe a thousand, and that's how much I loathe your mighty, cocky, arrogant gators. Thanks!
 
#66
#66
I dont really remember any florida coach saying anything bad about Knoxville...Did I miss something? Spurrier is from Tenn Zook and Meyer I dont recall either...Maybe before Spurrier... What exactly are you refering too? I mean Spurrier took shots at Fulme and at UT but not the city... not that I recall... maybe I am wrong. And Kiffin did really offend the people of Pahokee... thats a fact.
 
#67
#67
awells05 said:
And Kiffin did really offend the people of Pahokee... thats a fact.
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I seem to remember him offending one person (a UF grad at that). And he didn't say anything ESPN hadn't already said in their piece
 
#68
#68
awells05 said:
I dont really remember any florida coach saying anything bad about Knoxville...Did I miss something? Spurrier is from Tenn Zook and Meyer I dont recall either...Maybe before Spurrier... What exactly are you refering too? I mean Spurrier took shots at Fulme and at UT but not the city... not that I recall... maybe I am wrong. And Kiffin did really offend the people of Pahokee... thats a fact.
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Well, perhaps he did offend them. I should have checked my post before I posted. Yes, I'm referring to all the citrus comments and stuff like that. Did that not offend us? I don't care where Spurrier was from, it was bs, and uncalled for. Jmo. Anyway, Uf acts like CK is the anti-Christ or something. Get over it and play the game.
 
#69
#69
volfanatic86 said:
Well......since you brought it up...UF coaches are notorious for insulting entire towns, namely Knoxville. Granted, you guys have beat us relentlessly the past couple of seasons, however, just as your coach was new to the SEC a few years ago, so is ours this year.
He will lead the band in Rocky Top, if not this year, then way sooner than you guys are comfortable with, otherwise, it would'nt be a big deal, would it? See, the problem is this: Meyer comes across as a cocky, sanctimonious p***k. He has a right to be cocky, I suppose, but there's a fine line between being confident and arrogance. Meyer is the latter personified. CK has to start somewhere, lol. Don't worry yourself,LG. All dynasties end at some point. GO VOLS!

P.s. Forgive my rant. As much as you dislike UT, multiply that by maybe a thousand, and that's how much I loathe your mighty, cocky, arrogant gators. Thanks!
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I can't say as I recall Meyer making any claims in the same ballpark as those made by Kiffin who, I remind you, still has yert to coach his first SEC game.

As for your post-script, I see onece again reference to the gaytors. Very clever. For a piece of driftwood.
 
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awells05 said:
I dont really remember any florida coach saying anything bad about Knoxville...Did I miss something? Spurrier is from Tenn Zook and Meyer I dont recall either...Maybe before Spurrier... What exactly are you refering too? I mean Spurrier took shots at Fulme and at UT but not the city... not that I recall... maybe I am wrong. And Kiffin did really offend the people of Pahokee... thats a fact.
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Have you ever set foot in Pahokee? The only way to get there is Okechobee to Miami...
I'm sure its an ok town, but I really hope Tennessee fans wouldn't be as offended if someone made a comment about nothing being in Christmasville.

It feels like a bunch of concern trolling.

Just wondering why so many Gators feel the need to play White Knight?
 
#72
#72
ok really? do you know me? do you know where i live? and tell me what is this that you know about Pahokee? what do you mean the only way to get there is okechobee to Miami?
 
#73
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awells05 said:
ok really? do you know me? do you know where i live? and tell me what is this that you know about Pahokee? what do you mean the only way to get there is okechobee to Miami?
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I should rephrase that to be, the only way to get their without specifically heading there.

And don't be a douche, you live in Port Saint Lucie, your name is Andrew Wells... and you taught at Indian River State in Fort Pierce?
 
#74
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awells05 said:
Hey utvolpj...as I remember the article he criticized Pahokee high school for tampering with Nuke's commitment letter. This accusation offended not only the coach, the town residents, and school faculty... basically saying they were idiots because they couldnt fax a piece of paper.

It's all good: Kiffin apologizes by phone to Pahokee; Vols are welcome 'any day, any time' GoVolsXtra
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the accusation came from his family not CLK. They had the concerns and he just repeated them
 
#75
#75
thanks for clarifying by looking at my profile?? did that tell you that I have family in Pahokee? Or the my wife is from Pahokee? The only way to get there without specifically heading there? Does that make any sense? Thanks for pretending to know me.
 
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