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rikberry31 said:
There is insufficient CO2 in the atmosphere to be of any significant effect to the temperature. CO2 is not a significant heat trapping gas like H2O is which causes the real greenhouse effect. There is absolutely no correlation between increased CO2 levels and rising temperature of the earth. CO2 is essential to life and beneficial. Earth temperature can be accurately predicted by sunspot activity. The sun warms the earth, that is all.
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This is so ignorant it makes my head hurt.
 
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OHvol40 said:
This is so ignorant it makes my head hurt.
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Prove me wrong. The people who do climate science for a living and are not on take are idiots, right?

Many climate change scientists do not agree that global warming is happening​

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Editor—The apocalyptic tone that Smith adopted in relation to the environment bears little relation to reality.1 In his editorial Smith asserts, “virtually all scientists agree that global warming is happening.” Global warming is now joining the list of “what everyone knows.”

Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60. McMichael and Haines quote the 1995 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is widely believed to “prove” that climate change induced by humans has occurred.3 The original draft document did not say this. What happened was that the policymakers’ summary (which became the “take home message” for politicians) altered the conclusions of the scientists. This led Dr Frederick Seitz, former head of the United States National Academy of Sciences, to write, “In more than sixty years as a member of the American scientific community ... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.”4

Policymaking should be guided by proved fact, not speculation. Most members of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change believe that current climate models do not accurately portray the atmosphere-ocean system. Measurements made by means of satellites show no global warming but a cooling of 0.13°C between 1979 and 1994.5 Furthermore, since the theory of global warming assumes maximum warming at the poles, why have average temperatures in the Arctic dropped by 0.88°C over the past 50 years?
 
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LouderVol said:
I quoted you, but changed "is a hoax" to "isn't a hoax".

the people claiming man made climate change is real to the point of being a disaster waiting to happen are making money from those claims. so if one were consistent with your previous argument you would need to throw out all those studies as well.
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Ok you've charged my mind forever, feel better?
 
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swampfoxfan said:
Ok you've charged my mind forever, feel better?
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not really. would feel better if people just stopped falling for the White Lab Coat fallacy.

they may be doctors/scientists but its always worth checking what they are basing their opinions on when it comes to your lifestyle/life choices.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Once again nothing of substance. What is your evidence that man is driving the warming of the earth even though it has been cooling for almost a decade?

Now is when you say that I am too ignorant to justify a response.
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Having lived in entirely different regions of Tennessee over the last 40+ years, I can confidently say that I have seen the climate change. It's happened everywhere on the planet, with some regions more than others. The cause of it is somewhat in question. Speaking in absolutes about it is stupid. The tax grab was totally unnecessary, so I am sure we agree on that. There's a huge proportion of chemists, biologists and physicists who haven't been paid for studies who disagree with you. I am not certain of anything except the fact our climate has changed
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Was listening to NPR last night (unpleasant; but keep an eye on what your enemy is up to).
They were still talking about global warming as if it were a confirmed fact.
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Do you think it's not?
OrangeTsar said:
It was a „report“ on how increased CO2 was allegedly reducing the nutrient content of foods. They were seriously trying to claim that the gas that causes plants to grow is hurting plants. And they wonder why no thinking human takes them seriously anymore.
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EasternVol said:
Do you think it's not?
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I think the earth‘s climate warms and cools of its own accord. Same as it ever was. The 20‘s and 30‘s were warmer than average. The 1940s through the 1960s were cooler than average. The last few decades were warmer again. Many scientists think we are about to go into another cooling cycle.
The only shocking thing about climate would actually be if it ever stayed the same.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I think the earth‘s climate warms and cools of its own accord. Same as it ever was. The 20‘s and 30‘s were warmer than average. The 1940s through the 1960s were cooler than average. The last few decades were warmer again. Many scientists think we are about to go into another cooling cycle.
The only shocking thing about climate would actually be if it ever stayed the same.
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Your comment indicates that you don't think the planet is warming. Where does the data to support what you just wrote come from? What average do you mean? Everything I've seen shows an upward trend since the late 1800's. That means the planet has been getting warmer since then.

NASA Scientific Visualization Studio | Annual Global Temperature, 1880-2015

Graph of annual global temperatures, with respect to a baseline from the 19th century (the average of global annual temperatures from 1880-1899). In Fahrenheit. || 2015-temperature-graph-animation-v3_youtube_hq_print.jpg (1024x576) [749.5 KB] ||...
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EasternVol said:
Your comment indicates that you don't think the planet is warming. Where does the data to support what you just wrote come from? What average do you mean? Everything I've seen shows an upward trend since the late 1800's. That means the planet has been getting warmer since then.

NASA Scientific Visualization Studio | Annual Global Temperature, 1880-2015

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and considering we were leaving the little ice age around the 1800s an upward trend shouldn't be a point to be worried over.
 
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walkenvol said:
Do you have a link on this as it’s a new concept for me?
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I don't have a link, but Google could surely get you to some articles by searching about coming Ice Age and solar minimum etc. I have seen articles referencing that there is now a significant number of scientists in related fields that believe we are in fact headed for an Ice Age soon due to waning activity on the surface of the Sun such as solar flares. Have to say that it makes far more sense to me that the same Sun which cooked the atmosphere off of Mars and keeps Venus boiling is controlling Earth's climate than to believe that CO2 is the culprit.
 
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BartW said:
The lower atmosphere is warming, but the upper atmosphere is cooling. Explain
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Prove that humans are causing any of this. It's 🐂 💩. I don't care what is happening weather wise. It"s called weather. Show me a proponent of the climate change who isn't on the payroll.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Having lived in entirely different regions of Tennessee over the last 40+ years, I can confidently say that I have seen the climate change. It's happened everywhere on the planet, with some regions more than others. The cause of it is somewhat in question. Speaking in absolutes about it is stupid. The tax grab was totally unnecessary, so I am sure we agree on that. There's a huge proportion of chemists, biologists and physicists who haven't been paid for studies who disagree with you. I am not certain of anything except the fact our climate has changed
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The climate is in constant flux, show me the proof that man is causing it. It has been much warmer historically than now. The only way to make money off it is the green 🐂 💩. Find me a climate scientist that is not on the payroll who says different.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I think the earth‘s climate warms and cools of its own accord. Same as it ever was. The 20‘s and 30‘s were warmer than average. The 1940s through the 1960s were cooler than average. The last few decades were warmer again. Many scientists think we are about to go into another cooling cycle.
The only shocking thing about climate would actually be if it ever stayed the same.
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Are you saying something keeps changing the thermostat? :)
 
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EasternVol said:
Your comment indicates that you don't think the planet is warming. Where does the data to support what you just wrote come from? What average do you mean? Everything I've seen shows an upward trend since the late 1800's. That means the planet has been getting warmer since then.

NASA Scientific Visualization Studio | Annual Global Temperature, 1880-2015

Graph of annual global temperatures, with respect to a baseline from the 19th century (the average of global annual temperatures from 1880-1899). In Fahrenheit. || 2015-temperature-graph-animation-v3_youtube_hq_print.jpg (1024x576) [749.5 KB] ||...
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The planet has been warming in a general trend since between 20,000 and 26,000 years ago. We've had mini-ice ages, decades of warmer weather, etc.

Fifty years ago, it was another ice age coming. If global temperatures begin to fall, those fears will come back. Predicting the end of the world has been the real constant for the last several thousand years. No matter what is going on, the world is ending any day now.
 
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rikberry31 said:
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You: “prove it”

Me: “here’s the latest inter-agency, multi-national climate report compiled by thousands from multiple disciplines”

You: “it’s a hoax”

I know you won’t digest any of that information, nor refute it, because you can’t. It’s easier to respond with cynicism and hyperbole. Less reading and thinking… I get it man.
 
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