Gerrymandering in Virginia

[Weezer]

he has plenty to apologize for

@McDad said the juice was worth the squeeze, Mr. @Orangeburst .

 

[Weezer]

I wonder what changes the founders would propose if they had been filled in on the happenings of the last 250 years?

Shoot everybody. Start again.

 

[Weezer]

Absolutely, as individuals they were all flawed, but the collective really did something beautiful. A lesson we should take to heart right about now.

The variety of ideas and perspectives, along with spirited, sincere, thoughtful debate gave birth to one of the best governmental systems in history.

I ponder, with the benefit of hindsight, what would Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, etc do differently from the beginnning, if anything. Also, what adjustments would they make now?

What would they say about citizens united? What would they say about all of the amendments enacted? What would they say about the two party system as it currently stands? All of it (too much to mention). I ponder this often. I do the same with Teddy Roosevelt (I’m admittedly a fanboy).

George Washington spoke out against political parties. Warned how they would divide the nation. Read his Farewell Address. GW was a freakin' psychic.

 

[Weezer]

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Reminds me of Trump without the self-tanner.

 

[Weezer]

Thomas Jefferson would not have been amused by Lincoln’s antics. Hamilton likely would have been a huge fanboy.

Did you watch the HBO series John Adams? It was excellent imo, and explored the complex relationship between Adams and Jefferson.

I like to think GW would kick ol' Abe's ass.

 

[OHvol40]

Thomas Jefferson would not have been amused by Lincoln’s antics. Hamilton likely would have been a huge fanboy.

Did you watch the HBO series John Adams? It was excellent imo, and explored the complex relationship between Adams and Jefferson.

Yep, I own the box set. Probably watched it 4 or 5 times over the years. Paul Giamatti, Laura Linney, David Morse… all fantastic work.

 

[85SugarVol]

Yep, I own the box set. Probably watched it 4 or 5 times over the years. Paul Giamatti, Laura Linney, David Morse… all fantastic work.

Laura Linney was fantastic as Abigail Adams (a remarkable woman).

 

[OHvol40]

Laura Linney was fantastic as Abigail Adams (a remarkable woman).

To this day, when anyone mentions Thomas Jefferson, my mind’s eye immediately goes to Stephen Dillane’s character. This is who I see:

 

[85SugarVol]

To this day, when anyone mentions Thomas Jefferson, my mind’s eye immediately goes to Stephen Dillane’s character. This is who I see:

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They are one in the same, John!

 

[KB5252]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but this is an idea floated to improve the representation citizens get in Washington.

Curb the salaries, force everyday travel like citizens. It would force them to be among and work for us. It's not a bad idea at all. Their positions weren't intended to be professions, it was a civic duty. We've created a political class that we pay to abuse and take advantage of us.

 

[OHvol40]

Curb the salaries, force everyday travel like citizens. It would force them to be among and work for us. It's not a bad idea at all. Their positions weren't intended to be professions, it was a civic duty. We've created a political class that we pay to abuse and take advantage of us.

Yep

 

[swampfoxfan]

Senate doesn’t represent the citizenry. That is the role of the House, and why California has more Representatives than the states mentioned combined.

Senate represents the States. They are all equal, irrespective of population. Which is what the founders wanted.

States are full of people. States have no voice,its citizens do. States don't elect senators, it's citizens do that. Might as well have a blind draw.

 

[McDad]

States are full of people. States have no voice,its citizens do. States don't elect senators, it's citizens do that. Might as well have a blind draw.

 

[hog88]

Curb the salaries, force everyday travel like citizens. It would force them to be among and work for us. It's not a bad idea at all. Their positions weren't intended to be professions, it was a civic duty. We've created a political class that we pay to abuse and take advantage of us.

Limit congress to 90 days in session per year, reduce pay accordingly.
No pension, no health care.
Build a dormitory with cafeteria for them to stay in while in session, no perdiem.
As you said, it was never meant to be a career.

 

[appvol]

States are full of people. States have no voice,its citizens do. States don't elect senators, its citizens do that. Might as well have a blind draw.

Are those citizens in the WHOLE state not using their voice when they elect their Senators. What if you are an Independent and you vote for a Democrat Congressman and a Conservative Senator or the other way around.

 

[85SugarVol]

States are full of people. States have no voice,its citizens do. States don't elect senators, it's citizens do that. Might as well have a blind draw.

States do have a voice though. Want to guess where?

 

[McDad]

Limit congress to 90 days in session per year, reduce pay accordingly.
No pension, no health care.
Build a dormitory with cafeteria for them to stay in while in session, no perdiem.
As you said, it was never meant to be a career.

any interest in continuing the convo about expanding the number of congressional reps?

 

[Orangeburst]

any interest in continuing the convo about expanding the number of congressional reps?

I would like too, but gotta clean the gutters

 

[McDad]

I would like too, but gotta clean the gutters

that's a more productive use of your time, for sure.

I guess I'll get together with Homer Jones and Big John Tally for a big crap game back in the alley.

 

[Orangeburst]

that's a more productive use of your time, for sure.

I guess I'll get together with Homer Jones and Big John Tally for a big crap game back in the alley.

I was kidding..I would just rather clean the gutters

 

[McDad]

I was kidding..I would just rather clean the gutters

Mine need it too. TIA.

 

[Vol since 77]

I would like too, but gotta clean the gutters

 

[hog88]

any interest in continuing the convo about expanding the number of congressional reps?

I’m open to being convinced it’s not an idiotic galacticly stupid idea.

 

[McDad]

I’m open to being convinced it’s not an idiotic galacticly stupid idea.

This is where we left off.

Understood. I cannot guarantee your views would be better represented either.

But if you had increased likelihood to have a face to face convo and dialogue about your views and why you held them would your chances of being accurately represented increase or decrease?

any feedback?

 

[rikberry31]

New York redistricted with the census as ever state does, and it's irrelevant, because Trump told you and everyone elsewhy he asked Abbott to redistrict, and no where did he mention New York.
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Uh, the census was in 2020. You are full of . New York started it and they are trying to do it again.