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#152
NashVol11 said:
Same, and for me also the realization that decriminalization of heroin (for example) also allows for a lot more resources such as mobile treatment centers, substitution treatments to help wean people off, no more dirty needles etc. In fairness you can do some of that stuff without legalization but many right wingers lose their minds if any city does it
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Ask the Pacific Northwest how full legalization went for them. You can only force drug addicts to get help with the threat of jail and even then they still have to want to do it.
 
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Smokey123 said:
What good does throwing an addict in jail do for anyone? Get out of jail and go back to the same lifestyle. Government needs less control over what someone does that’s not infringing on others

My childhood bsf became addicted to every drug imaginable and OD’d on fent 4 years ago
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So it would be better if it were legal.

Logical.




In some parallel universe.
 
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#155
Rickyvol77 said:
Ask the Pacific Northwest how full legalization went for them. You can only force drug addicts to get help with the threat of jail and even then they still have to want to do it.
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People often only want to get help when they hit rock bottom, as with alcoholism. That can be a lot of things, it's not jail-driven
 
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85SugarVol said:
Know any alcoholics?

Do you think alcohol should be illegal?
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That's actually a fair point. What I think is that the DUI laws should result in more than a license suspension. 1st one, OK... everyone makes a mistake... give them a big fine. 2nd one.... 30 days. 3rd one will cost you a year. 4th one....10 years.... you obviously are a danger to society.

But that will never happen. It doesn't really even happen when someone gets killed.

California is the experiment. Look at what happened to SFO. Free everything, **** wherever you want.... shoot up wherever you want.. hell they will even give you clean needles. Has it made the city better? Safer?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
That's actually a fair point. What I think is that the DUI laws should result in more than a license suspension. 1st one, OK... everyone makes a mistake... give them a big fine. 2nd one.... 30 days. 3rd one will cost you a year. 4th one....10 years.... you obviously are a danger to society.

But that will never happen. It doesn't really even happen when someone gets killed.

California is the experiment. Look at what happened to SFO. Free everything, **** wherever you want.... shoot up wherever you want.. hell they will even give you clean needles. Has it made the city better? Safer?
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Pretty sure an NFL player is jail currently for it....
 
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hog88 said:
I agree, nobody should be doing drugs but if an adult wants to use that poison then fine. They should be able to legally use and be certain that the drugs they use are not tainted/laced or what have you.

As to the drunk driving laws, I've made myself clear about how I feel about those. There should be no penalty for drunk driving, drunk crashing should result in stiff and painful penalties.
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That's libertarian horseshit. The problem is that you have to enforce the laws, and we do not do that in this country. Period. If we did, that would be fine I suppose, but we don't
 
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85SugarVol said:
Regulate the production of the drugs, that would be the key benefit. There’s a reason no one worries about their weed from the dispensary being laced with fent…
I came of age during the mid to late 90s - none of us were worried about what our pills were mixed with. Our only “worry” was whether we were getting good ones.

As for the sale - no different than alcohol.
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I'm sure the Colombians will most happy to cooperate. LOL
 
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hog88 said:
Of course I have no data to back it up but I doubt that we'd see a noticeable rise in drug addicts if they were legalized. I doubt most people that don't use drugs refrain because they are illegal.

Legalize, regulate like alcohol and allow employers to set their own drug use and testing policy.
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I can't wait to get on my first airliner with a stoned cockpit crew. No problem as long as they don't crash, right?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
That's horseshit.
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How so? A person driving drunk that doesn't crash hurt who?

I just think the penalty for drunk crashing should be so severe nobody would risk it and way too many people have and are having their lives ruined with BS drunk driving arrests. Just look at TN and all of the sober DUIs given.
 
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hog88 said:
How so? A person driving drunk that doesn't crash hurt who?

I just think the penalty for drunk crashing should be so severe nobody would risk it and way too many people have and are having their lives ruined with BS drunk driving arrests. Just look at TN and all of the sober DUIs given.
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Like I said, if we enforced the laws that could theoretically be OK. But we don't enforce them NOW. So how much is a life worth when they ultimately DO kill someone. As it stands now it ain't anywhere near worth the life they stole.

From legalclarity.org:
'For example, a conviction for vehicular homicide while intoxicated might be classified as a second-degree felony, leading to a minimum of three and up to 10 years in prison, along with substantial fines.'

Wow. Kill my wife or my kids and you might get to spend 3 whole years in prison. That's a fair tradeoff, doncha think?

What's a BS drunk driving arrest? Were they drunk or not? It IS the ****ing law you know. What's a 'sober' DUI? Are you referring to a problem with the testing system? That is a COMPLETELY different argument. We have this really wonderful company called Uber or Lyft which invalidates ANY excuse for driving drunk. And again, if the penalty for drunk crashing were severe, it wouldn't get implemented. We don't want to incarcerate people for that.
 
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#172
hog88 said:
Why would that cockpit crew be stoned? Are they all drunk now?
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Would it matter? In your world they could fly drunk too. As long as they don't crash. And no they aren't drunk because it is illegal. But as long as they don't crash, it could be. I would loved to have partaken of a little red with my meal across the Pacific. Could have just grabbed a bottle on the way up from the galley after my rest break.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Like I said, if we enforced the laws that could theoretically be OK. But we don't enforce them NOW. So how much is a life worth when they ultimately DO kill someone. As it stands now it ain't anywhere near worth the life they stole.

From legalclarity.org:
'For example, a conviction for vehicular homicide while intoxicated might be classified as a second-degree felony, leading to a minimum of three and up to 10 years in prison, along with substantial fines.'

Wow. Kill my wife or my kids and you might get to spend 3 whole years in prison. That's a fair tradeoff, doncha think?

What's a BS drunk driving arrest? Were they drunk or not? It IS the ****ing law you know. What's a 'sober' DUI? Are you referring to a problem with the testing system? That is a COMPLETELY different argument. We have this really wonderful company called Uber or Lyft which invalidates ANY excuse for driving drunk. And again, if the penalty for drunk crashing were severe, it wouldn't get implemented. We don't want to incarcerate people for that.
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In 2024 alone 419 sober people were arrested for DUI in TN.

419 sober drivers in Tennessee arrested for DUI in 2024, according to TBI

Hendersonville PD gives an award to the patrol officer with the most DUI arrests in a month.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Would it matter? In your world they could fly drunk too. As long as they don't crash. And no they aren't drunk because it is illegal. But as long as they don't crash, it could be. I would loved to have partaken of a little red with my meal across the Pacific. Could have just grabbed a bottle on the way up from the galley after my rest break.
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No, not in the least. In my world the employer would always be able to set their own drug and alcohol policy, think Delta is going to allow pilots to use drugs? I could see the commercials now.
 
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