Iran

[MontyPython]

Trump:

If I’m president, we will not go to war with Iran.

We don't need their oil.

Take the oil and make a fortune.

We already won the war.

The war will continue for a little while.

God bless the great people of Iran!

A whole civilization will die tonight.

We’re not at war, because there’s a ceasefire.

We’re winning the war.

You commit treason if you say we’re not winning the war.

We're not at war.

Iran agreed to everything.

Maybe we're better off not making a deal at all.

I didn't say we're better off not making a deal at all.

We've already won, but I want to win by a bigger margin.

Hostilities have terminated.

Our Navy took over Iran's ship like pirates.

The blockade is still in place.

Iran hasn't paid a big enough price.

If I don't get the Nobel Prize for peace, nobody will ever get it.

MAGA sheep:

 

[Carl Pickens]

Trump:

If I’m president, we will not go to war with Iran.

We don't need their oil.

Take the oil and make a fortune.

We already won the war.

The war will continue for a little while.

God bless the great people of Iran!

A whole civilization will die tonight.

We’re not at war, because there’s a ceasefire.

We’re winning the war.

You commit treason if you say we’re not winning the war.

We're not at war.

Iran agreed to everything.

Maybe we're better off not making a deal at all.

I didn't say we're better off not making a deal at all.

We've already won, but I want to win by a bigger margin.

Hostilities have terminated.

Our Navy took over Iran's ship like pirates.

The blockade is still in place.

Iran hasn't paid a big enough price.

If I don't get the Nobel Prize for peace, nobody will ever get it.

MAGA sheep:

I think you might need to seek professional help

 

[EasternVol]

I think you might need to seek professional help

Pointing out Trump's vagaries isn't a symptom of illness. Defending Trump there might be though.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I told you I wasn't an English major. I am a mathematician and physicist.

You sound like an Iranian spy.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I can’t speak for where you went, but I would assume that the line at a US embassy isn’t a holistic representation of the entire country’s feelings. I’m sure there’s some selective bias.

Duuuh. Of course it isn't representative of the entire country. You are moving the goalposts to even intimate that that is what I was saying. There weren't any lines around the French embassy, English, Saudi, any of the others, but surprisingly enough, the embassy of the racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted United States had a line. If you want to call that selective bias, have at it, but people want to come here more than any other place... and I'll bet they still do even with Donald Trump as president.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Pointing out Trump's vagaries isn't a symptom of illness. Defending Trump there might be though.

You need it too

 

[Persian Vol]

Duuuh. Of course it isn't representative of the entire country. You are moving the goalposts to even intimate that that is what I was saying. There weren't any lines around the French embassy, English, Saudi, any of the others, but surprisingly enough, the embassy of the racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted United States had a line. If you want to call that selective bias, have at it, but people want to come here more than any other place... and I'll bet they still do even with Donald Trump as president.

My point is that the American Dream and the aura of America while still very much relevant, has only continued to decline relative to a globalized world that is developing around us, and that we aren’t in the same post WW2 era where we were leaps and bounds better than everywhere else. We are still an elite country in the grand scheme of things, but that’s not going to be forever. Personally I think it’s healthier to be honest of that reality and discuss why that is the case as opposed to being in denial altogether.

 

[BeardedVol]

Duuuh. Of course it isn't representative of the entire country. You are moving the goalposts to even intimate that that is what I was saying. There weren't any lines around the French embassy, English, Saudi, any of the others, but surprisingly enough, the embassy of the racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted United States had a line. If you want to call that selective bias, have at it, but people want to come here more than any other place... and I'll bet they still do even with Donald Trump as president.

Embassies don't allow "walk ins" to apply for visas, so what you most likely saw were people waiting for scheduled visa interviews, and having to deal with long security lines that can be 2-3 hours.

 

[EasternVol]

You need it too

Dr. Lucy?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Embassies don't allow "walk ins" to apply for visas, so what you most likely saw were people waiting for scheduled visa interviews, and having to deal with long security lines that can be 2-3 hours.
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That's the hill you wanna die on on this issue? I guess you can walk right up and get a visa for any of those other countries.


I wonder why.

 

[BeardedVol]

That's the hill you wanna die on on this issue? I guess you can walk right up and get a visa for any of those other countries.


I wonder why.

I'm sorry that reality doesn't fit the narrative that you've created in your mind.

Maybe you should have done a 10 second google search after you saw people lined up at the embassy, before you assumed that the reason was a "massive influx of people trying to get to the United States from France".

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm sorry that reality doesn't fit the narrative that you've created in your mind.

Maybe you should have done a 10 second google search after you saw people lined up at the embassy, before you assumed that the reason was a "massive influx of people trying to get to the United States from France".

LOL The point went right over your cute little head.

 

[WaywardVol]

My point is that the American Dream and the aura of America while still very much relevant, has only continued to decline relative to a globalized world that is developing around us, and that we aren’t in the same post WW2 era where we were leaps and bounds better than everywhere else. We are still an elite country in the grand scheme of things, but that’s not going to be forever. Personally I think it’s healthier to be honest of that reality and discuss why that is the case as opposed to being in denial altogether.

I think you’re missing a lot in your comments. Do you know what a huge difference is between now and then? Social programs. That virtually didn’t work exist. We needed able bodied and eager people and the needed us. Now, a good number of the people coming here, aren’t coming to contribute but to either flee or get stuff. Period. Look at the Somali fraud. That culture is a disgrace and they’ve moved here in droves, undermining the fabric of our nation.

that said, we still have a huge influx of students , physicians, engineers and others who line up to get here. Concurrently, things are actually going to pot in a lot of other developed countries. Particularly when it comes to rights.

 

[WaywardVol]

Trump:

If I’m president, we will not go to war with Iran.

We don't need their oil.

Take the oil and make a fortune.

We already won the war.

The war will continue for a little while.

God bless the great people of Iran!

A whole civilization will die tonight.

We’re not at war, because there’s a ceasefire.

We’re winning the war.

You commit treason if you say we’re not winning the war.

We're not at war.

Iran agreed to everything.

Maybe we're better off not making a deal at all.

I didn't say we're better off not making a deal at all.

We've already won, but I want to win by a bigger margin.

Hostilities have terminated.

Our Navy took over Iran's ship like pirates.

The blockade is still in place.

Iran hasn't paid a big enough price.

If I don't get the Nobel Prize for peace, nobody will ever get it.

MAGA sheep:

And yet, every single leader has been barking about this for 40 years. The fact that the can has been kicked down the road to fall to Trump isn’t his fault.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I think you might need to seek professional help

Every comment that he attributed to Donald Trump in the post you replied to, is an actual public statement that Donald Trump has made about the war in Iran.

What is wrong with simply posting Donald Trump's own comments (VERBATIM!), in a thread specifically designated for a discussion of the war in Iran, when making a point about how inconsistent and contradictory Donald Trump's messaging has been concerning the war in Iran?

Even Steve Bannon has admitted that Donald Trump has been so all-over-the-place with his rhetoric, that it's impossible to make any sense of what Donald Trump is saying about the status of the conflict. It changes every day.

Your responses of "TDS" and insinuating that there is something mentally wrong with people who dare to question Donald Trump's rhetoric, say much more about your own state of mind than anyone else's. You can't dispute the assertion that Donald Trump is a poor and inarticulate leader, who never stays on message and contradicts himself constantly, so you attack the people who point out that reality.

You are politically tribal, and your debating "skills" are childishly weak and simplistic. You will never be mistaken for an intellectual, sir. As a matter of fact, you're what someone with Donald Trump's limited vocabulary, might even refer to as being, "a low IQ person."

 

[MontyPython]

I think you Trump might need to seek professional help

FYP

... and like sands in an hourglass, the resident MAGA sheep line up in liking your post.

Predictable and pathetic, but I'll take that as a Badge of Honor.

Thank god our Trump's reign of stupidity is just about done. 6 more months of ignorant bliss for you and yours though. Enjoy!

 

[MontyPython]

And yet, every single leader has been barking about this for 40 years. The fact that the can has been kicked down the road to fall to Trump isn’t his fault.

Uh, yeah, it actually is his fault.

47 years of other Presidents recognized the truth: Attacking Iran (illegally I might add) was a bad idea and would result in an unwinnable war.

Trump's stupidity has proven this reality.

 

[WaywardVol]

Uh, yeah, it actually is his fault.

47 years of other Presidents recognized the truth: Attacking Iran (illegally I might add) was a bad idea and would result in an unwinnable war.

Trump's stupidity has proven this reality.

They were useless cowards. Puppets. Trump is a goof, but he’s no coward. If you’d like to convince us that the intelligence is wrong, that Iran wasn’t absolutely going to make nuclear weapons, I’m all ears. I don’t want any new conflicts. Particularly in the Middle East, but we can see how volatile that area is to the world economy.

Winnable? Iran has been decimated and any Nuclear ambitions they had have been set back decades. We’ve also opened the door for Iranians to reclaim their country from the Islamic state.

Lastly, if it’s illegal, where were you during Obama?? Quiet as a mouse I bet.

 

[BowlBrother85]

And yet, every single leader has been barking about this for 40 years. The fact that the can has been kicked down the road to fall to Trump isn’t his fault.

Oh, really? The 2nd term of President Ronald Reagan's Administration falls within your 40 year time frame.

Please show me where President Ronald Reagan (the 40th President of the United States. President Reagan was in office from January 20, 1981 until January 20,1989) was calling for a war with Iran, while his administration was selling arms to them, and then using the proceeds from those sales to fund the Contra rebels in their fight to overthrow the Sandinista government (led by Daniel Ortega) in Nicaragua.

This should be good.

 

[WaywardVol]

Oh, really? The 2nd term of President Ronald Reagan's Administration falls within your 40 year time frame.

Please show me where President Ronald Reagan (the 40th President of the United States. President Reagan was in office from January 20, 1981 until January 20,1989) was calling for a war with Iran, while his administration was selling arms to them, and then using the proceeds from those sales to fund the Contra rebels in their fight to overthrow the Sandinista government (led by Daniel Ortega) in Nicaragua.

This should be good.

K.

 

[BowlBrother85]

K.

Yeah ... we go to war with countries all the time, while illegally selling arms to them, don't we ????

Especially a nation like Iran, who was under an embargo at the time, and a state sponsor of terrorism, who had taken American diplomats hostage in 1979 and then held them for over a year.

The Reagan Administration selling arms to Iran in the mid-80's made so much sense. That's a Republican Administration right there. Always on the ball and thinking !!!!

 

[EasternVol]

Duuuh. Of course it isn't representative of the entire country. You are moving the goalposts to even intimate that that is what I was saying. There weren't any lines around the French embassy, English, Saudi, any of the others, but surprisingly enough, the embassy of the racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted United States had a line. If you want to call that selective bias, have at it, but people want to come here more than any other place... and I'll bet they still do even with Donald Trump as president.

Oh so one embassy. A share would have been tourist visa applicants and others getting non-visa embassy business done.
Australia and Canada are preferred among Southeast and a lot of East and South Asians. New Zealand's the ideal for many but chances of getting in are slim.

 

[EasternVol]

My point is that the American Dream and the aura of America while still very much relevant, has only continued to decline relative to a globalized world that is developing around us, and that we aren’t in the same post WW2 era where we were leaps and bounds better than everywhere else. We are still an elite country in the grand scheme of things, but that’s not going to be forever. Personally I think it’s healthier to be honest of that reality and discuss why that is the case as opposed to being in denial altogether.

Yes, we spent too many decades telling ourselves how great we were while letting small problems become big and big problems fester.

 

[WaywardVol]

Yeah ... we go to war with countries all the time, while illegally selling arms to them, don't we ????

Especially a nation like Iran, who was under an embargo at the time, and a state sponsor of terrorism, who had taken American diplomats hostage in 1979 and then held them for over a year.

The Reagan Administration selling arms to Iran in the mid-80's made so much sense. That's a Republican Administration right there. Always on the ball and thinking !!!!

WTF is your problem? Where did I say it was a good idea? It was a black eye on the Reagan admin. Even though they were trying to get back other hostages, it was a really bad deal all the way around. I didn’t do it. Further, I didn’t make it a party issue. Bush 1 and 2 both did the same thing. I’d say your opposition has more to do with your hatred of Trump than with any “illegal” claims. Again, I bet you said jack **** under Obama.

 

[WaywardVol]

Yeah ... we go to war with countries all the time, while illegally selling arms to them, don't we ????

Especially a nation like Iran, who was under an embargo at the time, and a state sponsor of terrorism, who had taken American diplomats hostage in 1979 and then held them for over a year.

The Reagan Administration selling arms to Iran in the mid-80's made so much sense. That's a Republican Administration right there. Always on the ball and thinking !!!!

It didn’t make any sense. Where did I say otherwise??