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rikberry31 said:
I'll bet you'd sing different tune if you were a soldier or the family of a soldier who was preparing to invade mainland Japan. It is easy to spend other people's money and lives, if yours was on the line I bet you'd think differently.
You can afford to hold your luxury beliefs and virtue signal.
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We didn't need to invade mainland Japan. We could have sent troops into China and wiped out the Kwantuang army. Japan's main reason for going to war with the USA was to solve the oil problem it needed to win the war in mainland China. So the main goal of Japan was what they took from China. Had we defeated their army in China, they would have nothing left. Also China likely doesn't go Communists or worse, is split into North and South China like Korea.

China going Communist was the greatest geopolitical mistake the USA made in the 20th Century and had we followed that path, send troops into China to help the Chinese army (Chang Kai-Shek), the Nationalist Chinese would have never been driven off the Mainland by the Communists as USA troops would have stayed there (like South Korea) and the entire Asia situation is changed drastically. I also think Japan would have surrendered as they would have lost the Army, Navy, and Air Force. In 1945, it was the army hardliners who kept the war going because they hadn't lost in China or Southeast Asia yet (only Burma).
 
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trout-vol said:
Are you dims can't address or defend any of your nut job policies, all you can do is go after Trump. You kids are clowns
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Wait, who's running the government right now? Do you watch football and complain about the backup QB? Maybe the rest of us have been doing it wrong all these years by getting mad at the people actively ruining the country. We should all get together and instead focus on those who dont have their hands on the levers of government instead. Makes perfect sense.
 
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trout-vol said:
Are you dims can't address or defend any of your nut job policies, all you can do is go after Trump. You kids are clowns
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"My policies". 😁

Last I checked, I am not El Jefe. That title is held by The Grifter-In-Chief, Donald J. Trump.

But, hey, if there's something specific you'd like to debate, here I is, Ms. Crabtree!
 
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volbound1700 said:
We didn't need to invade mainland Japan. We could have sent troops into China and wiped out the Kwantuang army. Japan's main reason for going to war with the USA was to solve the oil problem it needed to win the war in mainland China. So the main goal of Japan was what they took from China. Had we defeated their army in China, they would have nothing left. Also China likely doesn't go Communists or worse, is split into North and South China like Korea.

China going Communist was the greatest geopolitical mistake the USA made in the 20th Century and had we followed that path, send troops into China to help the Chinese army (Chang Kai-Shek), the Nationalist Chinese would have never been driven off the Mainland by the Communists as USA troops would have stayed there (like South Korea) and the entire Asia situation is changed drastically. I also think Japan would have surrendered as they would have lost the Army, Navy, and Air Force. In 1945, it was the army hardliners who kept the war going because they hadn't lost in China or Southeast Asia yet (only Burma).
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True. But the plan was to invade mainland Japan. Hitler should have gone after USSR first. That was what was in his book.
The West wouldn't have lifted a finger. But he stupidly went to the West first.
Ill advised, unnecessary, or not we were going into Japan.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
City boy 🤣

It's like I'm talking to a Dollar Tree brand of Lee van Cleef.
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Frodo Baggins lives in the country, not the city.

🌿 Life in the Shire​


Frodo resides in the peaceful, rural land known as the the Shire, a pastoral region which is characterized by:
  • Rolling green hills and farmland
  • Small villages and tight-knit communities
  • A slow-paced, agrarian lifestyle
  • Minimal industry and no large cities
This idyllic countryside reflects Tolkien’s ideal of traditional English rural life.

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rikberry31 said:
I can't recall a time when Iran has lied, not. They have never complied with any agreement ever.
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No—that claim is not true. It’s an overgeneralization.

The reality is more nuanced: Iran has both complied with some agreements at times and violated or disputed others at different times.

🧭 The factual record​

✅ Periods where Iran did comply​

The clearest example is the 2015 nuclear deal, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).

  • The International Atomic Energy Agency repeatedly verified that:
    • Iran stayed within uranium limits
    • Reduced centrifuges
    • Allowed inspections
👉 Multiple reports confirmed Iran was meeting its commitments in the early years of the deal (Arms Control Association)
👉 U.S. government research also states Iran implemented restrictions under the deal (Iran Watch)

❌ Periods where Iran did not comply​

There are also documented violations and disputes:

  • Pre-2015 (before the deal):
    • Iran was found in noncompliance with nuclear safeguards and UN resolutions
    • Failed to fully cooperate with inspections (Congress.gov)
  • After U.S. withdrawal (post-2018):
    • Iran gradually exceeded nuclear limits (enrichment, stockpile levels)
    • Reduced cooperation with inspectors
  • More recently (2025):
    • The IAEA formally declared Iran in violation of obligations related to undeclared nuclear material (The Washington Post)

⚖️ Why people say “Iran never complies”​

That claim usually comes from:

  • Focus on violations and secrecy before 2015
  • Concern about partial cooperation and limited transparency
  • Distrust of Iran’s long-term intentions
But it ignores the documented period where:
👉 Iran was complying under strict international monitoring

🧠 The balanced conclusion​

  • ❌ False: “Iran has never complied with any agreement ever”
  • ✅ Accurate:
    • Iran has sometimes complied (especially 2016–2018 JCPOA period)
    • Iran has also violated or fallen short at other times

🧩 Bottom line​

Iran’s track record is mixed, not absolute:

  • Compliance under pressure and incentives
  • Noncompliance or disputes when conditions change
 
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MontyPython said:
So how exactly does this work?

China is the largest buyer of Iranian oil. Per CENTCOM (below), we're now going to block all ships carrying Iranian oil that exit the Strait. Is our military going to board or fire upon Chinese-owned oil tankers that ignore our blockade? How is China going to react to acts of war by the US Navy on its merchant vessels? What if China sends its Navy to escort and protect its merchant vessels?

Imagine if the Chinese Navy started intercepting, stopping and boarding US oil tankers... Anywhere.

Trump has NOT thought this through. This reeks of desperation and has disaster written all over it.

"The blockade will be enforced impartially against vessels of all nations entering or departing Iranian ports and coastal areas, including all Iranian ports on the Arabian ‌Gulf ⁠and Gulf of Oman. CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of ⁠Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports," CENTCOM wrote in a statement on social ⁠media."
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China can get oil from any non-Iranian port and exit the Strait with no interference from us. If Iran attacks them, then that is between China and Iran.

China is not going to send military escorts into the middle of the forces we have in the Middle East. The biggest risk is that China threatens to close waterways close to them.

Without Venezuela and Iran, China is hurting for oil and will probably look for a non confrontational way to manage the situation.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Wait, who's running the government right now? Do you watch football and complain about the backup QB? Maybe the rest of us have been doing it wrong all these years by getting mad at the people actively ruining the country. We should all get together and instead focus on those who dont have their hands on the levers of government instead. Makes perfect sense.
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VAVol85 said:
China can get oil from any non-Iranian port and exit the Strait with no interference from us. If Iran attacks them, then that is between China and Iran.

China is not going to send military escorts into the middle of the forces we have in the Middle East. The biggest risk is that China threatens to close waterways close to them.

Without Venezuela and Iran, China is hurting for oil and will probably look for a non confrontational way to manage the situation.
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You sure seem to know a lot about how China will respond to our potential Act of War vis a vis blockading their ships.

我再也不想和你说话了，你这个没脑子的动物食槽擦拭工！我朝你的方向放屁！你母亲是只仓鼠，你父亲闻起来像接骨木莓！
 
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MontyPython said:
No—that claim is not true. It’s an overgeneralization.

The reality is more nuanced: Iran has both complied with some agreements at times and violated or disputed others at different times.

🧭 The factual record​

✅ Periods where Iran did comply​

The clearest example is the 2015 nuclear deal, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).

  • The International Atomic Energy Agency repeatedly verified that:
    • Iran stayed within uranium limits
    • Reduced centrifuges
    • Allowed inspections
👉 Multiple reports confirmed Iran was meeting its commitments in the early years of the deal (Arms Control Association)
👉 U.S. government research also states Iran implemented restrictions under the deal (Iran Watch)

❌ Periods where Iran did not comply​

There are also documented violations and disputes:

  • Pre-2015 (before the deal):
    • Iran was found in noncompliance with nuclear safeguards and UN resolutions
    • Failed to fully cooperate with inspections (Congress.gov)
  • After U.S. withdrawal (post-2018):
    • Iran gradually exceeded nuclear limits (enrichment, stockpile levels)
    • Reduced cooperation with inspectors
  • More recently (2025):
    • The IAEA formally declared Iran in violation of obligations related to undeclared nuclear material (The Washington Post)

⚖️ Why people say “Iran never complies”​

That claim usually comes from:

  • Focus on violations and secrecy before 2015
  • Concern about partial cooperation and limited transparency
  • Distrust of Iran’s long-term intentions
But it ignores the documented period where:
👉 Iran was complying under strict international monitoring

🧠 The balanced conclusion​

  • ❌ False: “Iran has never complied with any agreement ever”
  • ✅ Accurate:
    • Iran has sometimes complied (especially 2016–2018 JCPOA period)
    • Iran has also violated or fallen short at other times

🧩 Bottom line​

Iran’s track record is mixed, not absolute:

  • Compliance under pressure and incentives
  • Noncompliance or disputes when conditions change
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To be fair I wouldn't believe anything Iran ever says. Their compliance was a bit suspect if I recall.
 
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