Roster Construction revisited Cam Carr

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How in the world did Coach Barnes and staff miss on Cam Carr? Cam Carr is an expected top 10 lottery pick in the NBA. I know we are in the sweet sixteen now but we are not expected to advance much further. If Cam Carr had not transferred out, he would be our starting SG instead of Boswell. We could use Cam Carr’s scoring. Boswell would be perfect coming off the bench.
 
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GBOplayer said:
How in the world did Coach Barnes and staff miss on Cam Carr? Cam Carr is an expected top 10 lottery pick in the NBA. I know we are in the sweet sixteen now but we are not expected to advance much further. If Cam Carr had not transferred out, he would be our starting SG instead of Boswell. We could use Cam Carr’s scoring. Boswell would be perfect coming off the bench.
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While he may be moving up, he's not an expected top 10 pick.

They also didn't "miss" on him. He decided to quit on his team midseason. He was going to play, but he was obviously unhappy. There were rumors of something else, but that is unsubstantiated at this point.
 
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VolGee4 said:
While he may be moving up, he's not an expected top 10 pick.

They also didn't "miss" on him. He decided to quit on his team midseason. He was going to play, but he was obviously unhappy. There were rumors of something else, but that is unsubstantiated at this point.
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Yep, BIG difference b/t literally quitting on team mid-season and "missing". Barnes is always going to be a culture guy first and playing D is the ante for him...it's not optional.

Barnes isn't going to pin a player before the team...when he loses a draft, transfer or graduate, he's been amazing at backfilling. The roster reconstruction this year was a huge deal, considering the losses from LY team. Just when it looked like this team would fizzle in first or certainly second round, they've become the team most thought they couldn't.
 
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GBOplayer said:
How in the world did Coach Barnes and staff miss on Cam Carr? Cam Carr is an expected top 10 lottery pick in the NBA. I know we are in the sweet sixteen now but we are not expected to advance much further. If Cam Carr had not transferred out, he would be our starting SG instead of Boswell. We could use Cam Carr’s scoring. Boswell would be perfect coming off the bench.
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Carr made it rather difficult on himself at Tennessee.
1.) He wouldn't buy into the things the staff wanted him to buy into to see more playing time as a freshman.
2.) He had some off the court issues.
3.) He got hurt and lost out on some developmental minutes in the soft portion of our schedule during his sophomore year.
4.) He quit on his team at mid-season when there was no inherent advantage for him to do so.

In the end, he went to a school that was better fit for his desired level of discipline and defensive effort. It pushed him toward much better individual numbers, but its a lot of empty calories for a team that finished 16-16. He chose comfort and credentials over team success. To each their own, but he could be a key contributor on 3 straight S16 teams rather than sitting at home in March if he would have been patient and more bought in to the team goals.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Carr made it rather difficult on himself at Tennessee.
1.) He wouldn't buy into the things the staff wanted him to buy into to see more playing time as a freshman.
2.) He had some off the court issues.
3.) He got hurt and lost out on some developmental minutes in the soft portion of our schedule during his sophomore year.
4.) He quit on his team at mid-season when there was no inherent advantage for him to do so.

In the end, he went to a school that was better fit for his desired level of discipline and defensive effort. It pushed him toward much better individual numbers, but its a lot of empty calories for a team that finished 16-16. He chose comfort and credentials over team success. To each their own, but he could be a key contributor on 3 straight S16 teams rather than sitting at home in March if he would have been patient and more bought in to the team goals.
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Also...if he had close to the same stats he has this year at Baylor here at TN going into the Sweet Sixteen he'd very likely be a legit lottery pick.

Freddie also made a poor decision IMO. He's now in his 4th season and despite having his best individual year Penn State finished 12-20 and he's likely got zero draft hopes...I fully expect he portals out and tries to land somewhere that can help his draft stock for next year.
 
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GBOplayer said:
How in the world did Coach Barnes and staff miss on Cam Carr? Cam Carr is an expected top 10 lottery pick in the NBA. I know we are in the sweet sixteen now but we are not expected to advance much further. If Cam Carr had not transferred out, he would be our starting SG instead of Boswell. We could use Cam Carr’s scoring. Boswell would be perfect coming off the bench.
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I'm not sure how you can blame it on Barnes and the staff when Carr got injured and quit on the team mid year.

He very clearly does not like to play defense and wanted to play on a crappy team to put up stats. If you want to see what what that type of NBA career is please Cam Thomas who's one of the most gifted scorers in NBA but not great teammate and doesn't play defense. He was cut by nets and coming off bench on Bucks right now.
 
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Skooter said:
We may not be in a 3rd straight sweet 16 run if he was on the team. He didnt improve the program he went to, so it’s pure speculation his lack of effort and selfishness would have helped our program.
We have a great culture. Fit in or gtfo.
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Exactly. No better example of how important the culture is than the Lady Vols this year.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Carr made it rather difficult on himself at Tennessee.
1.) He wouldn't buy into the things the staff wanted him to buy into to see more playing time as a freshman.
2.) He had some off the court issues.
3.) He got hurt and lost out on some developmental minutes in the soft portion of our schedule during his sophomore year.
4.) He quit on his team at mid-season when there was no inherent advantage for him to do so.

In the end, he went to a school that was better fit for his desired level of discipline and defensive effort. It pushed him toward much better individual numbers, but its a lot of empty calories for a team that finished 16-16. He chose comfort and credentials over team success. To each their own, but he could be a key contributor on 3 straight S16 teams rather than sitting at home in March if he would have been patient and more bought in to the team goals.
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If he had "bought in," we might've made the Final Four last year and be in a more favorable position to do so again this year
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Also...if he had close to the same stats he has this year at Baylor here at TN going into the Sweet Sixteen he'd very likely be a legit lottery pick.

Freddie also made a poor decision IMO. He's now in his 4th season and despite having his best individual year Penn State finished 12-20 and he's likely got zero draft hopes...I fully expect he portals out and tries to land somewhere that can help his draft stock for next year.
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I'm struggling to think of a player who left CRB's program and was "better" for it. Sure, Carr and Freddie put up better stats after leaving, but none of them is in an ideal position in their careers IMO
 
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cncchris33 said:
Carr made it rather difficult on himself at Tennessee.
1.) He wouldn't buy into the things the staff wanted him to buy into to see more playing time as a freshman.
2.) He had some off the court issues.
3.) He got hurt and lost out on some developmental minutes in the soft portion of our schedule during his sophomore year.
4.) He quit on his team at mid-season when there was no inherent advantage for him to do so.

In the end, he went to a school that was better fit for his desired level of discipline and defensive effort. It pushed him toward much better individual numbers, but its a lot of empty calories for a team that finished 16-16. He chose comfort and credentials over team success. To each their own, but he could be a key contributor on 3 straight S16 teams rather than sitting at home in March if he would have been patient and more bought in to the team goals.
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To be fair, I believe he quit becuase someone in his ear told him there was a chance to preserve a year of eligibility if he sat out the rest of the season. There was a belief that in a similar way that football players preserve their redshirt year by playing in 4 games or less that basketball players would be able to pass a rule with the same percentage of games played.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Miss on him? Barnes recruited him and signed him. His own decision not to play defense is why he ended up not seeing a ton of floor time here. No one gets to play here and not put in that effort. Baylor went 16-16 and finished 257 in defensive rating this season.
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Exactly. He ain’t here and I don’t care.
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
I'm struggling to think of a player who left CRB's program and was "better" for it. Sure, Carr and Freddie put up better stats after leaving, but none of them is in an ideal position in their careers IMO
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Depends on how you define better....DJ Burns is probably the only one I'd say you can point to. He had 3 good years at Winthrop winning 20+ games each year and making a NCAA appearance. Then went to NC State helped them make 2 NCAA tournaments and then helped them reach a Final Four with a huge game against Duke in the EE
 
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vavolfan6 said:
To be fair, I believe he quit becuase someone in his ear told him there was a chance to preserve a year of eligibility if he sat out the rest of the season. There was a belief that in a similar way that football players preserve their redshirt year by playing in 4 games or less that basketball players would be able to pass a rule with the same percentage of games played.
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I think that logic makes sense, but I also think he had some of the same people in his ear telling him he was a 1st round pick, too. Those guys aren't usually around for 5 years in college, so the extra year really was just a backup plan in case he wasn't any good or got injured. I don't think he ever intended on using it. And since he had already played, he'd have to show proof of an injury to get that year back as a medical redshirt. Basketball doesn't have the same grace period as football, though it has been discussed at capping participation at 33% to preserve eligibility. I don't believe it has yet been brought up for vote, though.
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
He'd have been deadly in this offense if he'd bought in on the defensive end: heck, if he'd bought in from Day 1 then he might've been able to help the Knecht team overcome Edey and Purdue!
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Even if he bought in a little bit. Barnes has shown a little leniency for elite offensive players to just be passable on defense with a mind set on continuous improvement in that area. Knecht and Lanier both became better defenders in just one season. You just have to want to and it only makes you a more marketable player to NBA teams.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Carr made it rather difficult on himself at Tennessee.
1.) He wouldn't buy into the things the staff wanted him to buy into to see more playing time as a freshman.
2.) He had some off the court issues.
3.) He got hurt and lost out on some developmental minutes in the soft portion of our schedule during his sophomore year.
4.) He quit on his team at mid-season when there was no inherent advantage for him to do so.

In the end, he went to a school that was better fit for his desired level of discipline and defensive effort. It pushed him toward much better individual numbers, but its a lot of empty calories for a team that finished 16-16. He chose comfort and credentials over team success. To each their own, but he could be a key contributor on 3 straight S16 teams rather than sitting at home in March if he would have been patient and more bought in to the team goals.
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This----all day long
 
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njvols said:
Yep, BIG difference b/t literally quitting on team mid-season and "missing". Barnes is always going to be a culture guy first and playing D is the ante for him...it's not optional.

Barnes isn't going to pin a player before the team...when he loses a draft, transfer or graduate, he's been amazing at backfilling. The roster reconstruction this year was a huge deal, considering the losses from LY team. Just when it looked like this team would fizzle in first or certainly second round, they've become the team most thought they couldn't.
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Barnes has a history of going all out for stars who give him everything he requires…TJ Ford and Kevin Durant most notably. Carr was lacking.
 
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GBOplayer said:
How in the world did Coach Barnes and staff miss on Cam Carr? Cam Carr is an expected top 10 lottery pick in the NBA. I know we are in the sweet sixteen now but we are not expected to advance much further. If Cam Carr had not transferred out, he would be our starting SG instead of Boswell. We could use Cam Carr’s scoring. Boswell would be perfect coming off the bench.
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I watched him several times this year. He was a turnover waiting to happen and played NO defense - None! He can jump and is a streaky shooter - saw back-to-back air balls one game. I would argue it was addition by subtraction for Tennessee.
 
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