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Orangeslice13 said:
If true I still take issue for the warrant less search
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I go back and forth on this. I look at a deportation order like probation/parole, if you’re on probation/parole LE doesn’t need a warrant to walk into wherever you’re at and haul you in. It’s definitely a grey area.
 
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hog88 said:
I go back and forth on this. I look at a deportation order like probation/parole, if you’re on probation/parole LE doesn’t need a warrant to walk into wherever you’re at and haul you in. It’s definitely a grey area.
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They had consent from the apt landlord and the roommates who lived there also
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
LMAO naive as hell....most can't afford uber so they walk home
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They moved him further away from his family to a place 5 miles away from his house that was closed, and didn't tell anyone he was there. If it was a "courtesy" then they are unbelievably incompetent, but the idea that he asked for it seems like complete BS anyway

Agents, however, did not notify Macaluso or Shah Alam’s family of his release to the coffee shop. Macaluso previously told Investigative Post he expected Shah Alam to be taken to the ICE detention center in Batavia and that his client would be released from there.

Instead, Macaluso and Shah Alam’s family spent Friday through Sunday searching for him. Macaluso opened a missing persons case with Buffalo police on Sunday, he said.
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Rickyvol77 said:
They had consent from the apt landlord and the roommates who lived there also
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I'm sure this is "according to the DHS statement" again lol, presumably the same one where they deny this

The agents entered the residential building “without any kind of warrant” and security cameras “captured the agents in the hallway showing pictures of the alleged missing child,” Shipman said in a later video statement.

A public safety officer arrived as “it became clear” the agents had misrepresented themselves. The officer “asked multiple times for a warrant, which was not produced, and asked for time to call his boss, which was not given,” she said.
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NashVol11 said:
FYP
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Not at all, I have called out LEO in the past for seriously egregious or illegal activities.
The problem is that the usual knuckle draggers on the other side, don't even have the slightest understanding of constitutional law and police work in general or why things are the way they are and how they operate, both on the streets, in courts, in jails, in psych facilities, in hospitals, in businesses, in the real world in general.

They get their "knowledge" from tv shows, movies, MSM and their political owners
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Not at all, I have called out LEO in the past for seriously egregious or illegal activities.
The problem is that the usual knuckle draggers on the other side, don't even have the slightest understanding of constitutional law and police work in general or why things are the way they are and how they operate, both on the streets, in courts, in jails, in psych facilities, in hospitals, in businesses, in the real world in general.

They get their "knowledge" from tv shows, movies, MSM and their political owners
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Where did you get your "knowledge" that Nurul Shah Alam asked to be taken to a closed coffee shop several miles from his house at night during the winter?
 
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NashVol11 said:
So the DHS statement again, where they described a parking lot at night in winter as a "warm, safe location" lol. Got it. Definitely not just slurping up law enforcement statements as fact
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He was dropped off at a location with tons of businesses close to his last known address, as literally hundreds of prisoners or homeless patients are daily around this country.

He was not in any medical distress, and he didn't die from exposure or anything else that ICE caused.

This is a nothing burger, except the media wanted to pretend he was also blind when he wasn't and wanted to downplay why he was in jail in the first place
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He was dropped off at a location with tons of businesses close to his last known address, as literally hundreds of prisoners or homeless patients are daily around this country.

He was not in any medical distress, and he didn't die from exposure or anything else that ICE caused.

This is a nothing burger, except the media wanted to pretend he was also blind when he wasn't and wanted to downplay why he was in jail in the first place
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We don't know how he died yet. A city spokesman said that and then the Health Department said cause of death hasn't been confirmed. But it's not surprising that you are rushing to declare it a "nothing burger" based on essentially nothing other than statements from DHS, who called Alex Pretti a domestic terrorist
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I in no way accept that any government represents me and I am taxed against my will. I am not culpable for anything done by a government that I dont see as legitimate.
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Complicit, not culpable...you are a part of it, like it or not....it's representative government, like it or not. You paid for it, like it or not

The part that is personally problematic with regards to you was your response when you found out they murdered that guy on your behalf.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Doesn't seem like a warm, safe location to me. Maybe we should take DHS's statements with several grains of salt when they get caught lying about seemingly every single thing

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How about just be reasonably good stewards and do the bare minimum with your authority and power and take him home? They ever see a Spiderman movie? Was this lesson lost on everyone else?

How about don't detain him in the first place? This was a bad job and didn't do anybody any good with our tax dollars.

If anyone if us were charged with this man's care, and we did this, we would face homicide charges at the very least.
 
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n_huffhines said:
How about just be reasonably good stewards and do the bare minimum with your authority and power and take him home? They ever see a Spiderman movie? Was this lesson lost on everyone else?

How about don't detain him in the first place? This was a bad job and didn't do anybody any good with our tax dollars.

If anyone if us were charged with this man's care, and we did this, we would face homicide charges at the very least.
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You would face homicide charges for dropping an adult off near downtown?
 
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hog88 said:
I go back and forth on this. I look at a deportation order like probation/parole, if you’re on probation/parole LE doesn’t need a warrant to walk into wherever you’re at and haul you in. It’s definitely a grey area.
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I’m not on the fence at all.
If they are at the known address they can walk in. They don’t have probable cause to just walk in my house because someone said someone might be there.
If they think their perp is at my house then they can stake it out sit and wait.

No I don’t give a **** about their waste of resources
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The Department of Homeland Security confirmed to CNN that ICE arrested Aghayeva, who is from Azerbaijan and “whose student visa was terminated in 2016 under the Obama administration for failing to attend classes.”

“The building manager and her roommate let officers into the apartment. She has no pending appeals or applications with DHS,” the agency’s statement said.
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Like I said
“If true, then I take issue with it “
 
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NashVol11 said:
Doesn't seem like a warm, safe location to me. Maybe we should take DHS's statements with several grains of salt when they get caught lying about seemingly every single thing

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I take them all with a grain of salt; hence the "I wasn't there. I don't know"

I will agree that the video doesn't show whomever that is in the video being dropped off anywhere but a parking lot, and it may indeed be the man who died, but I don't know that, either. That video doesn't show man acting the way I would expect someone who is blind to act.

There is also the question of what happened to the man in the 5 days from when he was dropped off until he died. Did he make it somewhere warm and safe, and then leave and later die? Again, I don't know.

All of this is to say, I am fine waiting until more facts come out before I make any conclusions as to where I stand. I am also of the firm belief that 99% of the people who have made up their minds already will not change it, even in the face of facts contrary to their already formed opinions. Confirmation bias, BEGIN!
 
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