GAME THREAD: Texas A&M in Knoxville, Thursday, 2/19, 6:30 pm EST, SECN+

#902
#902
Clad in Big Orange said:
Whose seat is hotter, Kim’s or Mark Pope at Kentucky? Both are in year two at a blue blood and fans aren’t happy.
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It really does matter which fans are not happy. In our case the majority of the VOCAL restless fall in the we are better off without them category. Value add applies for fans too. We got more Nuevo mattress burners in the house. Bet DW has the net pulse numbers.
 
#903
#903
Volfan2012 said:
I think what the end of season plan might be is to try to retain the freshmen, as we have two very good ones one very underrated and probably better than any of the five we have now, coming in to the program.
Latham may be back as a senior I don't see her wanting to go anywhere she will have the same or bigger role next season. Cooper may stay or leave not caring either way she is so up and down that we could probably find someone in the portal that could give more consistent minutes.
We should have plenty of portal money with Spearman, Barker, Wynn, Robertson, Wolfenbarger, and maybe Wade all leaving. So we should be able to find at least four competent players to replace these players. Really won't need much to replace all of them but Barker.
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One would hope you are correct. Worst case would see lots of players jumping ship like passengers on the sinking Titanic because of lost faith in the coach, drama in the locker room, money or a multitude of reasons. Just speculating. Lady Vols have long been a titan in WCB so the Titanic analogy seems fit.
I'm also ready to see Cooper move on. It seems to me what she contributes in basketball skills is negated by her lack of leadership, inconsistent performance and demeanor. She does not make players around her better, in my opinion. A parting of ways might benefit her and the Lady Vols.
Regarding coaching, the names I see thrown out as a possible replacement for Caldwell fall into the category of "pipe dreams". If Caldwell stays she has to realize that as a coach must help players develop their skills and understanding of the game, she must also be willing to develop her skills, knowledge and adaptability.
 
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1morevol said:
One would hope you are correct. Worst case would see lots of players jumping ship like passengers on the sinking Titanic because of lost faith in the coach, drama in the locker room, money or a multitude of reasons. Just speculating. Lady Vols have long been a titan in WCB so the Titanic analogy seems fit.
I'm also ready to see Cooper move on. It seems to me what she contributes in basketball skills is negated by her lack of leadership, inconsistent performance and demeanor. She does not make players around her better, in my opinion. A parting of ways might benefit her and the Lady Vols.
Regarding coaching, the names I see thrown out as a possible replacement for Caldwell fall into the category of "pipe dreams". If Caldwell stays she has to realize that as a coach must help players develop their skills and understanding of the game, she must also be willing to develop her skills, knowledge and adaptability.
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Not a lot we need to keep anyway. Hurst probably not leaving she is close to home should see her time upped a lot next season. Civil and Prawl who knows neither have been that effective thus far I think they both have a lot of potential. The twins probably won't leave probably more NIL here for them than elsewhere. Two incoming freshmen still coming at least for next season. Latham seems to like it here win or not. That is eight and all that should come back anyway. If a couple more of these leave then we should have enough NIL money to get six in the portal. May have to look at the MId Majors some probably even those players give more than we've got out of these bad portal selections of last year.

As far as coaches plenty that will come not some of the big names that are established. Plenty that have done well and have a great record.
 
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Danny made a bad decision extending Kim contract 29-30 and 1 million year salary. She is not leaving. What ever her buyout is the big donors needs to buy her out at the end of sec tournament. If they make the ncaa tournament UT will be a embarrassment to the program.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Not a lot we need to keep anyway. Hurst probably not leaving she is close to home should see her time upped a lot next season. Civil and Prawl who knows neither have been that effective thus far I think they both have a lot of potential. The twins probably won't leave probably more NIL here for them than elsewhere. Two incoming freshmen still coming at least for next season. Latham seems to like it here win or not. That is eight and all that should come back anyway. If a couple more of these leave then we should have enough NIL money to get six in the portal. May have to look at the MId Majors some probably even those players give more than we've got out of these bad portal selections of last year.

As far as coaches plenty that will come not some of the big names that are established. Plenty that have done well and have a great record.
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I think the twins transfer to Ole Miss. That’s my prediction anyway.
 
#907
#907
mprock said:
Danny made a bad decision extending Kim contract 29-30 and 1 million year salary. She is not leaving. What ever her buyout is the big donors needs to buy her out at the end of sec tournament. If they make the ncaa tournament UT will be a embarrassment to the program.
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At the very least he should've waited a year to make her prove that she was more than a flash in the pan
 
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#909
KnoxLikeUs said:
Nothing you post I can take serious.
I never have.
Everything in this post is the opposite of reality.
You are trying to hard.
Using delusional in the same sentence as that 👇is the definition of irony lol.
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Honestly this isn't the glam job at the moment. It died after Holly. It's a recovery job and you will need an good coach who is on the rise. I hate to say it but Coach Yo should be on the list.
 
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vols90 said:
If we don’t win another game this season, does Danny still stick it out with his bad hire?
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I think not winning another game this season in the SEC Tourney or the NCAA should do it. I couldn't see him bringing her back if all that happened. She probably needs to win two more games and she will get another season here. They will try to build a more effective team as that is where they dropped the ball as much as any other thing. She has a lot of players that just aren't going to give it all they got until they want to and it is usually just one or two per game.
 
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mcdoug said:
Her class at Missouri this year is good for Missouri but do you seriously think it's championship good? Yes, I think Kellie is a better coach than Kim, but I don't think she is final four national championship good and that's the standard here.
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No, I don’t think Missouri will ever be in championship contention in the SEC. I’m assuming they’re towards the bottom in funding. Just pointing out they apparently have a good signing class is all.
 
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dognusty said:
Honestly this isn't the glam job at the moment. It died after Holly. It's a recovery job and you will need a good coach who is on the rise. I hate to say it but Coach Yo should be on the list.
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I been saying this long ago Ik Yo rub some people the wrong way but she would be perfect here
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
Maybe not 5th, we’ll never know, but Kellie beat both Texas and Oklahoma in out of conference games.
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Exactly. I was just giving an at-worst scenario. Yes, she very well may have still finished top 3-4. We’ll never know. We’ll never know a lot, like what would have happened if her teams hadn’t been so cursed with regular injuries to top players.

But I’m not stupid, so I fully understand that her admitted aversion to change hurt her in the long run. And not landing a heckuva lot of top recruits right out of high school. And letting that awful loss to SC in the last second that was likely DW’s final straw.

Even so, I will never personally think the Kellie was a failure at Tennessee.
 
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lvocd said:
Exactly. I was just giving an at-worst scenario. Yes, she very well may have still finished top 3-4. We’ll never know. We’ll never know a lot, like what would have happened if her teams hadn’t been so cursed with regular injuries to top players.

But I’m not stupid, so I fully understand that her admitted aversion to change hurt her in the long run. And not landing a heckuva lot of top recruits right out of high school. And letting that awful loss to SC in the last second that was likely DW’s final straw.

Even so, I will never personally think the Kellie was a failure at Tennessee.
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Agree 100%. "Failure" is what is happening now.... Kellie underachieved, but she was never a failure. She comported herself with class and dignity at all times, and even when we lost she didn't embarrass the program with postgame comments or antics.
 
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#921
It's all unraveling now....
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#922
I am really not too concerned with comparing records of past coaches by who and who didn't beat this or that coach or program.....

Bottom line is that neither Holly nor Kellie was the right person for the HC job, though i know many still today disagree

Dealing with a storied program like our Lady Vols..... the universal question when faced with situation like Pat's health decline is "how do we sustain our program" and keep it at a high level?

As i have said before, other storied programs have had similar challenges..... but long time since they have reached top of the mountain.....a championship. Examples include Indiana and UCLA men's basketball (last won in 1987 and 1995 respectively, and Notre Dame football .....last won in 1988 season. BUT, all these teams have remained relevant since then, all played at some point since last title in the national title game.

We have not been to the final 4 even in 18 years..... so those playing in our program have not seen our programs great success. In that 18 year span several lesser programs (e.g. Oregon State) have made the final 4. No, i do not consider Holly's teams making the "Elite 8" a resounding success. She should have gone further.... late in her tenure, for example, she had more McDonald's All Americans than any other team. The era of Mercedes, Diamond and Westbrook.

And now we have Coach Kim.... i do not know if her system will work long term.... the better teams seem to break it fairly easily. This year has been aweful..... and no, it has not been because of Ruby's dismissal, Mia's injuries, or the terrible unfair treatment many say the referees give us.....

the game has changed how do we go forward and reclaim the luster of the Lady Vol brand..... it has been 18 years since we were really relevant..... look at our own conference..... South Carolina .... built by Dawn from nothing within that 18 year gap.... Shea over at Vanderbilt..... and though many here don't want to tip the cap to her..... Mulkey at LSU..... nattie in 2023 and personally 4 championships.....

commonality in great coaching in all these programs..... EVERYTHING in our program Coach Kim has control over..... yes she has to be a good manager of people and personalities on her team, but she is ultimately responsible for how the team does....

I hope every day for a return to success at the highest level.
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
Agree 100%. "Failure" is what is happening now.... Kellie underachieved, but she was never a failure. She comported herself with class and dignity at all times, and even when we lost she didn't embarrass the program with postgame comments or antics.
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I’m not yet quite ready to declare failure of Kim’s era, but she’s certainly on a downward trajectory. Losing at home to TA&M last night, even though most here knew the Aggies were capable of putting up a real fight, is deeply concerning. It would be a ltitle less concerning if we’d lost at their place, but … wow. No. We should have won that game with all that was on the line.

Now, do I think the Lady Vols could win one or more of these final three extremely tough games? I absolutely DO believe they can. Granted, it’s more likely they won’t based on the recent decline, but since we’ve seen this team look great in spurts, that always means they are capable of putting together special games. We’ll find out soon enough.

I haven’t thrown my fan towel into the ring yet! 🧡
 
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#924
glv98 said:
What she clings to and seems the most enamored of is the damn subbing system. Which in her presser last night she even admitted is completely out of control, but she blames the players for being too inconsistent to be able to be subbed in anytime anywhere n any situation.

Interesting that all the data shows she abandons her stupid subbing system in the fourth quarter of close games. Because she knows situational subbing gives her the best chance to win. My question is if you know that, why isnt it also the best way to win in quarters 1 2 and 3? I fear she clings to it as the last remainder of her previous identity. Sad because I may be projecting my own frustration, but I bet the nutty subbing is the very thing that has the players so very unhappy.
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Some of the combinations that find their way to the floor are just baffling. One moment that struck me was that after the LVS went down 10-0 with a "what were they thinking" starting line-up, the next group came (with Lauren and Mia) and closed the gap in less than 90 seconds. You don't have to be John Wooden to figure out that you should stick with those 5 while it is working but lo and behold, the hockey sub must happen and TA&M widened the scoring gap back to double digits. Other coaches don't need to take time outs to stop a LV run because our coaches will stop the run for them. It is getting hard to watch.
 
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Unless we don't win another game, I think CKC gets another year (and she still probably will anyway). But I do think it will be with an understanding that changes have to be made and I think she may be forced to get rid of some assistants - probably like Angel Rizor and Lexie Barrier. Maybe even a new S&C coach...
 
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