Too much ice

#11,751
#11,751
#11,753
#11,753
hndog609 said:
Here's the thing and it's an honest question. I have no doubt there are plenty of nutcases on the right but does it not seem the left is way more prone to have more people straight up broadcast this kind of crazy?
Click to expand...
i would say there is less of a stigma on the left about hiding your nutcases.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Orangeslice13 and Rickyvol77
#11,756
#11,756
LouderVol said:
i would say there is less of a stigma on the left about hiding your nutcases.
Click to expand...
If you move far enough left not only is there less stigma but going full 'tard is virtue signalling worthy of praise. That's not a good path.

Crazy people are gullible and impressionable. (that's not a right or left political observation) When crazy attitudes becomes virtuous you're right on the edge of justified crazy action. That can get really ugly pretty fast.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BreatheUT
#11,757
#11,757
hndog609 said:
If you move far enough left not only is there less stigma but going full 'tard is virtue signalling worthy of praise. That's not a good path.

Crazy people are gullible and impressionable. (that's not a right or left political observation) When crazy attitudes becomes virtuous you're right on the edge of justified crazy action. That can get really ugly pretty fast.
Click to expand...
I think by default, either extreme accepts and "profits" from their crazies.

taking "right" back from MAGA you get several versions of crazies where being crazy is something they celebrate on the right as well. Think of the sovereign citizen or Westboro Baptist types. Snake handling, and plenty of religious options out there too.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Orange_Crush
#11,758
#11,758
Redleg68 said:
I have never seen or heard of the Ace of Spades being a racist card. The British used it in WW1, the 101st Airborne in both WW2 and Vietnam. It was used as a Phyops thing as the card of death by various military units. I am so disgusted by the lack of honesty in the media. The internet has become the ultimate tool for propagandist spreading their filth and lies. Accountability for your actions and words has disappeared and it is a sad thing. Was use of the card by ICE outside the boundaries-Absolutely.
Click to expand...
So fighting fascists is racist now? Wow... color me shocked.
 
#11,759
#11,759
LouderVol said:
I think by default, either extreme accepts and "profits" from their crazies.

taking "right" back from MAGA you get several versions of crazies where being crazy is something they celebrate on the right as well. Think of the sovereign citizen or Westboro Baptist types. Snake handling, and plenty of religious options out there too.
Click to expand...
There's no doubt there are crazies on both sides. I'm going to push back a bit on some of your examples though. Westboro/snake handlers etc are a tiny little fraction of the crazy far right and are memory holed as much as possible by even those that would be considered "far" right. I'm not under the impression you have to go very far to the left before you hit people that are willing to justify and carry out violent action like the person cited in the tweet I originally quoted. It's worse when politicians start playing games with justification like the recent Nadler example also provided.

As an aside are there already Che Guevara shirts with Luigi Mangione's face on them?
 
#11,760
#11,760
hndog609 said:
There's no doubt there are crazies on both sides. I'm going to push back a bit on some of your examples though. Westboro/snake handlers etc are a tiny little fraction of the crazy far right and are memory holed as much as possible by even those that would be considered "far" right. I'm not under the impression you have to go very far to the left before you hit people that are willing to justify and carry out violent action like the person cited in the tweet I originally quoted. It's worse when politicians start playing games with justification like the recent Nadler example also provided.

As an aside are there already Che Guevara shirts with Luigi Mangione's face on them?
Click to expand...
The media's job is to convince you that a very small % of crazies are a majority. I'd say that most Dems would not support the craziness on the fringe left that it trying to be normalizes.

I do believe most Democrat politicians refuse to call it out because they are afraid of the fringe left in their party. But I would bet money that the average liberal voter neither shares, nor affirms the craziness being portrayed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rickyvol77
#11,762
#11,762
Orange_Crush said:
The media's job is to convince you that a very small % of crazies are a majority. I'd say that most Dems would not support the craziness on the fringe left that it trying to be normalizes.

I do believe most Democrat politicians refuse to call it out because they are afraid of the fringe left in their party. But I would bet money that the average liberal voter neither shares, nor affirms the craziness being portrayed.
Click to expand...
Taken as a whole I think you are correct.

Now take a moment to ponder the boldened...really let it marinate. What is that actually saying and what dynamic would it indicate?
 
  • Like
Reactions: NorthDallas40
#11,766
#11,766
Orange_Crush said:
I don't think I've ever been on here promoting democrat politicians.
Click to expand...
Not sure why you would make that inference.

Again, you referenced things like "average liberal voters" but it was what I focused on that was the important part IMO. If, as you suggest, Democrat politicians refuse to call out their crazies due to fear from their "fringe left" wouldn't that imply an awfully strong influence by that "fringe"?
 
#11,767
#11,767
hndog609 said:
Not sure why you would make that inference.

Again, you referenced things like "average liberal voters" but it was what I focused on that was the important part IMO. If, as you suggest, Democrat politicians refuse to call out their crazies due to fear from their "fringe left" wouldn't that imply an awfully strong influence by that "fringe"?
Click to expand...
I never claimed there wasn't one. I stated just the opposite.

I merely question any assumption that the average liberal (the majority of liberals) shares, endorses, or excuses the craziness that is being shown and normalized by a few.
 
#11,768
#11,768
Orange_Crush said:
I never claimed there wasn't one. I stated just the opposite.

I merely question any assumption that the average liberal (the majority of liberals) shares, endorses, or excuses the craziness that is being shown and normalized by a few.
Click to expand...
I'm not aware of ever even alluding to any type of "majority" anything. My opening question involved this:

"I have no doubt there are plenty of nutcases on the right but does it not seem the left is way more prone to have more people straight up broadcast this kind of crazy?"

Nothing remotely majority oriented. Do you agree with my impression that more people that identify as on the left are likely to overtly and publicly support/justify violence? (personal and property)
 
#11,769
#11,769
hndog609 said:
... Do you agree with my impression that more people that identify as on the left are likely to overtly and publicly support/justify violence? (personal and property)
Click to expand...
I really don't know. I'm not sure how you could either. If we both agree that there is probably an effort to normalize the beliefs and activities of a few, it may just be that a very group is being magnified.

Not having looked deeply into the polls, I have been concerned by polls that indicate a growing acceptance of political violence among younger liberals. I could see it as a strong possibility, but I don't think either of us could safely say that there are more on the left than on the right, overall.

I just don't know.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MemphisVol77 and hndog609
New Posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

Advertisement



Back
Top