Graduated Athlete College Attendance Requirements

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SmokinBob said:
Yesterday or the day before, Carson Beck was interviewed and was asked what classes he’s taking. He said something like he graduated 2 years ago - he doesn’t have to take classes. Is that true??? When did it become true? I thought this was still true: View attachment 808182
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Beck is dang near my age so I'm sure he's a grad student so "defined by the school" and "hours" aren't like undergrad.

He's probably enrolled in some program where he'll deliver a thesis at some point and he's getting "research hours" and "meets with his advisor" periodically.

It is quaint, however, that you think education is still required for an elite athlete if they don't want it to be.

Education is optional for athletes and has been for decades and decades at the high level. Enrollment is required but that is just a formality if they don't want to attend classes. The schools only care that they can play and that's all they have cared about for a long long time.
 
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Carson Gentle's older brothers played football for Harvard, a $56.9 Billion endowment management company and research grant recipient with a school attached. ;)

Yeah, the lines and distinctions are only getting blurrier. But the money continues to move around (and somehow never into middle-class pockets). Guess we should just be grateful to the food & drink industries that we get to watch 'em play on TV.

Which reminds me, I need to stop by the pharmacy to pick up my refill of Ozempic.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
Carson Gentle's older brothers played football for Harvard, a $56.9 Billion endowment management company and research grant recipient with a school attached. ;)

Yeah, the lines and distinctions are only getting blurrier. But the money continues to move around (and somehow never into middle-class pockets). Guess we should just be grateful to the food & drink industries that we get to watch 'em play on TV.

Which reminds me, I need to stop by the pharmacy to pick up my refill of Ozempic.
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The Ivy's don't give athletic scholarships, as I recall. They give a heck of a lot of academic scholarships but they still have their heads screwed on correctly when it comes to sports compared to the SEC and B1G who could care less if a student can read or write if they can play ball.
 
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SmokinBob said:
Yesterday or the day before, Carson Beck was interviewed and was asked what classes he’s taking. He said something like he graduated 2 years ago - he doesn’t have to take classes. Is that true??? When did it become true? I thought this was still true: View attachment 808182
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likely enrolled for the minimum amount of hours in online courses. might be a tudor taking the courses for him..

his answer is accurate, he has graduated and he indicated he was taking "something".

During football season, many players take the minimum amount of school hours to remain eligibile to play and mostly online courses so they can spend more time on football. Pretty common for any program. They load up during spring and summer to catch up with required eligibility.

At least as I understand it.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
Carson Gentle's older brothers played football for Harvard, a $56.9 Billion endowment management company and research grant recipient with a school attached. ;)

Yeah, the lines and distinctions are only getting blurrier. But the money continues to move around (and somehow never into middle-class pockets). Guess we should just be grateful to the food & drink industries that we get to watch 'em play on TV.

Which reminds me, I need to stop by the pharmacy to pick up my refill of Ozempic.
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When would any money from any school's endowment be going into anyone's pocket other than via an economic transaction? I'm not sure you understand what an endowment is. Money in our economy is never a zero sum gain. Wealth can be created. It happens all the time. Just because Harvard has a $56.9 billion endowment does not mean there is $56.9 billion removed from the economy that reduces everyone else's money. Basic economics 101. Of course, certain politicians would like you to think that when someone gets rich, they do it by taking it from someone else. That isn't how economics works. (Well, except for when a criminal steals from someone. Or maybe when certain individuals get daycare funding for daycares that don't have any kids attending.)
 
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You rarely see a player academically ineligible anymore, they stay ahead of that with on line classes etc.. that probably a paid tutor takes. Dexter Manley played for Oklahoma State 4 years was functionally illiterate and when he won Super bowl with the Redskins, it came out he couldn't read or write.
 
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This is an excerpt from an MSN article regarding this:

"No class. I graduated two years ago," Beck remarked with a grin and a laugh when a reporter inquired whether he had class on Friday, and what his experience as a student had been like this week.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
Not surprising. College football is just essentially just another pro league now.
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I remember when I was a Freshman @UT in 1956, one of my classmates was a freshman football player. The day we got our first theme assignment back, the football player’s theme was “. Dear Teacher. I am a football player”. On the outside of his paper was a big red F with a note that said” Dear football player. I am an English Professor ”. The player actually showed up for every class ,except the Fridays when the Freshmen team had an away Freshman game, which was only two times. He actually passed the class and did finally graduate.

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sigmundoooz said:
When would any money from any school's endowment be going into anyone's pocket other than via an economic transaction? I'm not sure you understand what an endowment is. Money in our economy is never a zero sum gain. Wealth can be created. It happens all the time. Just because Harvard has a $56.9 billion endowment does not mean there is $56.9 billion removed from the economy that reduces everyone else's money. Basic economics 101. Of course, certain politicians would like you to think that when someone gets rich, they do it by taking it from someone else. That isn't how economics works. (Well, except for when a criminal steals from someone. Or maybe when certain individuals get daycare funding for daycares that don't have any kids attending.)
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We're in agreement on economics. My post was directed at the blurred lines and questionable future of what a university is today--just as has happened with college athletics. Both just seem to be making decisions that keep them afloat or relevant, having lost any sense of mission that serves society or individuals.
 
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SmokinBob said:
Yesterday or the day before, Carson Beck was interviewed and was asked what classes he’s taking. He said something like he graduated 2 years ago - he doesn’t have to take classes. Is that true??? When did it become true? I thought this was still true: View attachment 808182
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These should still apply. And academic probation/ineligibility should still be a thing.

The teachers will cheat anyways but the principle should matter.
 
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With the advent of transferring in hours from online courses from other schools as well as one’s own enrolled school, the whole academic experience for athletes can be a fraudulent con job to an honestly earned degree and everything in between.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
has been for most of our lives. Nothing new.
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Probably, but the amount of money changing hands these days puts it on a whole another level. QBs today can make more for one year in college than a 1st round draft pick in the NFL draft can make in their rookie season (Beck - $3.1M, Last 1st round pick #32 - $2.4).
 
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