Joey Aguilar added as Plaintiff in Pavia suit

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tennrich1 said:
Yeah..I’m with you. Volnation, including me occasionally, has a strong tendency to overrate kids coming in simply by a star beside their name. I hope FB comes in and when it’s his turn is All Sec caliber. BUT…it’s simply unfair to expect him to be ready as a freshman and discounting GMac/Merk so quickly is flaky at best. If JA comes back…we’ll cross all those proverbial unseen bridges then.
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Merk is not coming back. Either Joey or another transfer QB should start next year. In 27 Gmac should be ready, he needs about another 20 lbs of weight on him at least
 
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volfan102455 said:
It is the backup QB must always better syndrome coupled with folks worrying about what they can't control.
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When Nico left there were a lot of Let's roll with Merk & GMac or I'm team Merk post here.
I was always if you can get someone then get them and when we got JA I knew he would start, he had stats but not only that, real playing experience
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I am mixed. Should prep schools where you earn college credits count the same? Both are preparatory institutions getting you ready for D1.

Maybe 5 for 5 would be the best option. That would give you a buy 1 get 1 free on Juco. Cut and dried, no need for RS or appeals.

The courts have really messed this up.
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Money being paid really made it to where guys that normally would try the NFL or move on with life but now that big money is being put out there, they're sticking around and getting as much money as they can.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I wonder about the likelihood of an "injunction" which is what allowed Pavia to play and created the moot ruling?

I'm less concerned with the final ruling of the court on the case and more concerned with, like Pavia this year, a judge grants an injunction that lets them play BEFORE the case is actually settled, which seems to be what happened.

The legal end and NCAA final ruling are less important to me than whether Joey A might actually play, like Pavia did, via injunction.

I don't understand the ins and outs but in layman's terms most of these NCAA lawsuits seem to have gone like this:

NCAA gets sued for antitrust

The season is about to start so the player/school asks the court to "pre rule" on who is likely to win.

The judge rules against the NCAA and the player transfers, gets paid, whatever.

The NCAA caves and changes their rule.

So....... what's the chance THAT occurs, particularly that second part where the judge "pre rules" that the NCAA is useless?
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Because it will be determined by the same judge that ruled in Pavia’s case I would say pretty high. But not guaranteed. Their situations are different since Pavia’s only played one year of JC but still similar.
 
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Volanta said:
Ok so question to VN- if Joey can come back next year do you want him? I do
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Absolutely. He's a workhorse, has some football brains, and loads of heart. He has a great story too. Another year to gunsling it would be fun to see. I would like us to get our backup for him more reps during the season.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
He has started to falter a little down the stretch, but I think he would be better next year, no doubt. But you play with fire bringing him back. Merk is likely gone regardless, but Mac probbaly leaves too, leaving you with JA and a true freshman. You'd have to bring another guy for depth purposes.
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JA's eligibility for '26 will not likely be determined until well after the transfer portal closes. I can't see GMac entering the portal in Jan. because, assuming Merk transfers, he is the #1 going into spring. The main concern I would have is that if JA remains as a possibility, it could cause Faizon to delay his commitment, giving time for other programs to go after him. If I'm Heupel, I'm going into spring with GMac #1, Faizon #2 (competing for #1) and giving JA fewer reps until his status is decided. Heupel is between a rock and a hard place if Faizon doesn't commit and JA is denied another year. He could end up with only 1 scholarship QB on the roster coming out of spring!
 
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volintheham said:
Please, two real bad ints and a fumble. TO’s negate TD’s smart guy, 21-10. Completely threw into not double but triple coverage without even reading the defense as a 5 year player. I’m giving him credit for our tackle that missed the block on his fumble. His turnovers have the equivalence to A Foster that they are catastrophic, back to back pick sixes with one giving the Tide a record along with a 14 point swing. In that second quarter of Okie he didn‘t even read the defense, just heaved the ball and his to’s directly resulted in the loses at Bama and Oklahoma. For his size as well he under-throws many balls due to his underwhelming arm strength. His misleading stats are deceiving due to his receivers as he is just a stopgap QB.

We know what he is and isn’t, but he is going to be asking for a lot more money next year if eligible and he will be our Milroe and the ROI isn’t there. You happy with the taxslayer bowl?
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They were bad throwing decisions and bad games happen to every QB. You're deriving he "just doesn't have it" from that is...well, I'm glad you're not the coach. Stating he's the reason we go Taxslaying is a tone-deaf take.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
I'm torn on if JUCO should count. I mean you are playing at a different level from D1 but at the same time academic wise, JUCO class credit can go towards your 4 year agree
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Yeah. I don’t think they should be allowed extra time for going to juco. I don’t think euro pros should be able to come play NCAA basketball either. It all goes against the appeal of “college” football being a competition for athletes during the college experience.
I’d LOVE to have Joey another year. Anyone that does not is more concerned with the media attention of having a big attraction at QB with a number one player than winning. Joey would likely be preseason all SEC depending who else comes back. The timeline would be more ideal for GMac and Brandon.
 
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NCFisher said:
They were bad throwing decisions and bad games happen to every QB. You're deriving he "just doesn't have it" from that is...well, I'm glad you're not the coach. Stating he's the reason we go Taxslaying is a tone-deaf take.
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He completely lost his composure in that game. Bad games do happen but he should be around 15 pics on the season after having 3 starting years in D1. That is bad. Appy and UCLA are some real powerhouses as well. Your standards are low and he obviously is not going through his progressions and just throwing to a point into triple coverage.

The scouting report was 100% correct and Heup’s hand was forced due to Nico and GMac being a true freshman needing strength conditioning.

You should stick to fishing as most certainly this was a one year plan for Heup. Our young qb will not improve with out getting reps with the one’s.
 
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deatojl said:
Okay, i am having a hard time understanding the logic of the people arguing against JA coming back. If I am understanding the argument, we shouldn't want him back because of fear or worry that GMac will transfer leaving us with only JA and a true freshman backup. The same people seem to be assuming that FB will win the starting job in 2027. Here is my take on it:
1. Ty Simpson sat for his first two years behind Jalen Milroe without transferring. Arch Manning sat his first two years behind Quinn Ewers without transferring. At least in Simpson's case, he had a dynamic 5* kid come to Alabama in the 2025 class. It is not at all a certainty that GMac hits the portal.
2. If GMac did hit the portal, what is really lost if you believe FB wins the starting job in 2027? Do you think he would transfer if JA came back next season but would relinquish his starting job to FB and stay as his backup if JA doesn't return?
3. If FB takes the starting job in 2027, then the only thing to really compare, even if JA returns, is who gives you the best chance to win in 2026. If GMac would transfer out due to Joey returning, we would have a true freshman as the backup QB. If Joey does not return and GMac starts next year, he will have the same true freshman as his backup.
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Say JA comes back and balls out. That’s great right? Well again what if GMac takes that as a slight and thinks screw it I am outta here. You can say oh well if he has that attitude we didn’t need him all you want. But this generation of players is different from past years. AP and Hubbard have said Merk is gone after this year.

Now here is something else to consider. Not saying it will happen but anything is possible now. JA comes back, GMac leaves and Faizon looks at the situation. He sees that hey even though TN has me they are gonna look into the portal to find another QB. And then he doesn’t like it. I don’t see why some of you do not see the possible disaster that COULD come from JA coming back.
 
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volintheham said:
He completely lost his composure in that game. Bad games do happen but he should be around 15 pics on the season after having 3 starting years in D1. That is bad. Appy and UCLA are some real powerhouses as well. Your standards are low and he obviously is not going through his progressions and just throwing to a point into triple coverage.

The scouting report was 100% correct and Heup’s hand was forced due to Nico and GMac being a true freshman needing strength conditioning.

You should stick to fishing as most certainly this was a one year plan for Heup. Our young qb will not improve with out getting reps with the one’s.
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Who's asserted he was anything but a one-year plan? Pretty sure we're all up to speed on the history of acquiring JA.
If eligible and he's your best chance to win, are you saying you don't play him? That's the question being debated.

If I'm HC and think it likely Brandon displaces Merk and Mac for 2027 and neither of them give me a better chance than Aguilar, I roll with him in 2026, if eligible.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Say JA comes back and balls out. That’s great right? Well again what if GMac takes that as a slight and thinks screw it I am outta here. You can say oh well if he has that attitude we didn’t need him all you want. But this generation of players is different from past years. AP and Hubbard have said Merk is gone after this year.

Now here is something else to consider. Not saying it will happen but anything is possible now. JA comes back, GMac leaves and Faizon looks at the situation. He sees that hey even though TN has me they are gonna look into the portal to find another QB. And then he doesn’t like it. I don’t see why some of you do not see the possible disaster that COULD come from JA coming back.
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Circular logic.

What if Staley & Matthews don't plan on being here past 2026 and follow (an eligible JA) into the transfer portal?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
And if he sits behind Joey A in 26, can't beat out Faizon for QB1 in 27, he's unlikely to beat him out in 28 or 29 (if Faizon doesn't hit the draft.)

That's the point. G-Mac may get jumped if Faizon develops faster than him and only needs 1 year before taking QB1 from him.

He'd be betting on Faizon's development or actually his lack of development. Unlike true freshmen, who seldom start in the SEC, redshirt freshmen starters are more common and Faizon may be one.

If so, G-Mac will never start at
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You’re assuming a hell of a lot.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Say JA comes back and balls out. That’s great right? Well again what if GMac takes that as a slight and thinks screw it I am outta here. You can say oh well if he has that attitude we didn’t need him all you want. But this generation of players is different from past years. AP and Hubbard have said Merk is gone after this year.

Now here is something else to consider. Not saying it will happen but anything is possible now. JA comes back, GMac leaves and Faizon looks at the situation. He sees that hey even though TN has me they are gonna look into the portal to find another QB. And then he doesn’t like it. I don’t see why some of you do not see the possible disaster that COULD come from JA coming back.
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I say if JA doesn't come back Coach is going to take a look at the portal and see who's interested, he'd be crazy if he doesn't. Until they fix the portal, Nil you plan for the current year and worry about the next year when that time comes.
Where is GMac going to go and be a starter in a big time school, he leave he'll more than likely lose money and still not wind up QB1 or stick around take QB1 in 27. If believe in yourself and how good you are you can't be scared to compete.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Not worried about the WRs. Why bring up irrelevant info?
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Not trying to be pedantic, but It isn't really info. It's a hypothetical concern about how the dominoes fall if JA is eligible next year.

As they've shown their value on the field, I'd say it's easily as relevant to be concerned how our future NFL WRs would react to a personel decision regarding the QB they've produced with as it is to speculate how our unproven QBs would react.

I just disagree with your logic and stated why. I'm not trying to convince you I'm right and you're wrong. We can agree to disagree. It's just speculation anyway. None of us can predict how the chips will fall.
 
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Some what ifs related to JUCO - this is honestly not a cut and dried decision anymore. Maybe 20 to 30 years ago it would have been.

What if a highly touted player is just not education wise ready for a university like Tennessee and thus needs to take classes and spend a year at a JUCO to complete the work necessary. Two different scenarios:

1. Said player attends a JUCO like Chattanooga State that does not field a football team.
2. Said player attends a JUCO that does field a football team and plays.

Does the year count only for the second scenario or for both?

Another very real situation - you have an incoming freshman that has been able to take college courses their last two years of high school and enters college as a sophomore. They played football, albeit it at the high school level while taking courses, more than likely at a JUCO. Does that take a year away from the player? They attended JUCO and played football.

Also, for some of you, is it the JUCO connection or the age of the player? There are other reasons why a player could be older - missionary trip, injury out of high school so they choose to defer starting their official football career and do not enroll until later.

This ruling could change how players approach their college careers. I believe many may just naturally follow the path of least resistance, when a year or so in between high school and college that doesn't count against their 4 years could work to their advantage.
 
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